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Alamo Joe Newbie United States Joined 4041 days ago 17 posts - 31 votes
| Message 9 of 13 06 November 2013 at 4:23am | IP Logged |
The language programs that promise to get you to Mt. Fluency are just a bunch of hot air balloons.
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| LeadZeppelin Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5002 days ago 59 posts - 85 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish
| Message 10 of 13 06 November 2013 at 6:44am | IP Logged |
Wait, becoming conversational is easy to you guys? &$%#!
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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5315 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 11 of 13 06 November 2013 at 8:13am | IP Logged |
LeadZeppelin wrote:
Wait, becoming conversational is easy to you guys? &$%#! |
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No it is not. But it is easier. :-)
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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5541 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 12 of 13 06 November 2013 at 4:04pm | IP Logged |
vonPeterhof wrote:
Is the author implying that by working towards developing
conversational skills he was doing the exact opposite of what was necessary to achieve
"fluency" (whatever the hell that may be in this case)? |
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From the final picture, you can see that the beginners hill, the conversational ridge and
mount fluency all form a natural progression in the same direction. I'm sure I can't be
the only one who's got a bit disoriented round about the conversational ridge, probably
not taken the most efficient path, wandered in the wrong direction, or even got confused
about which was up and which was down. So it seems plausible that mount fluency could end
up behind him.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6578 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 13 of 13 04 February 2014 at 10:02am | IP Logged |
It's also important to know that languages vary in whether they resemble a pyramid, or an inversed pyramid or whatever. For example, Finnish has an easier way to the beginner hill than English or French (the pronunciation, spelling and simple sentences - no articles for nouns for example), but then you need to learn a whole bunch of grammar to say anything involving more than one noun or more than one verb, and as you learn more vocabulary you'll start coming across more verb types (but not as immediately as in Spanish).
And the ease of climbing mount fluency will also depend on whether you were focused on reaching conversation ridge as soon as possible or got there at a calm, steady pace and in the meanwhile prepared yourself for the next part of th trip.
Don't get me wrong though, I love the metaphor :-)
Edited by Serpent on 04 February 2014 at 10:07am
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