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Alamo Joe
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 Message 9 of 13
06 November 2013 at 4:23am | IP Logged 
The language programs that promise to get you to Mt. Fluency are just a bunch of hot air balloons.
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LeadZeppelin
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 Message 10 of 13
06 November 2013 at 6:44am | IP Logged 
Wait, becoming conversational is easy to you guys? &$%#!
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Solfrid Cristin
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 Message 11 of 13
06 November 2013 at 8:13am | IP Logged 
LeadZeppelin wrote:
Wait, becoming conversational is easy to you guys? &$%#!


No it is not. But it is easier. :-)
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schoenewaelder
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 Message 12 of 13
06 November 2013 at 4:04pm | IP Logged 
vonPeterhof wrote:
Is the author implying that by working towards developing
conversational skills he was doing the exact opposite of what was necessary to achieve
"fluency" (whatever the hell that may be in this case)?


From the final picture, you can see that the beginners hill, the conversational ridge and
mount fluency all form a natural progression in the same direction. I'm sure I can't be
the only one who's got a bit disoriented round about the conversational ridge, probably
not taken the most efficient path, wandered in the wrong direction, or even got confused
about which was up and which was down. So it seems plausible that mount fluency could end
up behind him.
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Serpent
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 Message 13 of 13
04 February 2014 at 10:02am | IP Logged 
It's also important to know that languages vary in whether they resemble a pyramid, or an inversed pyramid or whatever. For example, Finnish has an easier way to the beginner hill than English or French (the pronunciation, spelling and simple sentences - no articles for nouns for example), but then you need to learn a whole bunch of grammar to say anything involving more than one noun or more than one verb, and as you learn more vocabulary you'll start coming across more verb types (but not as immediately as in Spanish).

And the ease of climbing mount fluency will also depend on whether you were focused on reaching conversation ridge as soon as possible or got there at a calm, steady pace and in the meanwhile prepared yourself for the next part of th trip.

Don't get me wrong though, I love the metaphor :-)

Edited by Serpent on 04 February 2014 at 10:07am



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