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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5219 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 25 of 44 06 March 2014 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you're implying that's what I've done, then you're being completely unfair, since I certainly don't use the word racism to refer to "anything and anyone" I disagree with. In fact, though I've had multiple disagreements with people on this board, I think this is the first time I've ever used the term here. Moreover, I explained in detail why I used the term, in what sense I thought a certain attitude was similar to racism--I certainly did not just throw out the term to attack something I disagreed with. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5219 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 26 of 44 06 March 2014 at 6:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I apologize if you were offended, but as you say, it's an expression. I even use it with female friends of mine.
I don't know if I said that, but even if I didn't, I agree the term can be overused. But there are times when I think it's relevant and in those circumstances, I use it.
Not necessarily. I could think that, say, Georgians should learn Georgian, even if I have no particular opinion about the greatness of the Georgian nation. In that case, there's no chauvinism, but still the objectionable attitude I described above. Edited by ScottScheule on 06 March 2014 at 6:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6588 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 27 of 44 06 March 2014 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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(Yeah, I wouldn't mind if someone used it in real life, obviously knowing that I'm a woman. But online it's pretty close to assuming the person is male)
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| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5219 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 28 of 44 06 March 2014 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Serpent,
Again, sorry. Won't do it again, I hope. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| FashionPolyglot Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 3934 days ago 39 posts - 73 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Portuguese | Message 29 of 44 06 March 2014 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The simple answer: Close minded people & people who are unwillingly to learn one's culture, hates languages. My thoughts: In general, I don't have anything against someone who is monolingual, or simply don't have an interest in learning any language. If a person simply just wants to get by with English (Or any native language), that's fine with me. If learning languages isn't a person's hobby or interest, that's fine with me as well. Although if someone hates a language to the point where he/she either, offends a specific individual because of his/her ethnicity/nationality, constantly discourages one's hopes of learning another language, or the person is simply just "Culturally Ignorant", then I would feel offended because of it. I'm sure you would be offended as well if you've encountered somebody like that. It's fine if you don't like a language. It's ok to have a love-hate relationship with a language. But you won't please anyone saying you, "Hate a language", because it might offend someone. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| leroc Senior Member United States Joined 4302 days ago 114 posts - 167 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 30 of 44 06 March 2014 at 7:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
The term isn't 'Racism' or 'Chauvinism', it's 'Ethnocentrism'. An example could be the Ancient Greeks. The Ancient Greeks were not Racist, they didn't look down on other peoples because they were not White, they looked down on them because they were not Greek. Edited by leroc on 06 March 2014 at 7:14pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| lingoleng Senior Member Germany Joined 5289 days ago 605 posts - 1290 votes | Message 31 of 44 06 March 2014 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Scott did not say that it is racism. What he wrote was very clear and not difficult to understand. But I am not surprised that it's the usual suspects who cannot read.
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| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5900 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 32 of 44 06 March 2014 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I hope this thread will be allowed to continue despite the misunderstanding about racism... Interesting topic for a thread. And I thought it was perfectly clear what Scott meant. It's a good point, too - a lot of expectations can be placed on people that they might not agree with, and it seems like that's particularly difficult for others to understand in these cases where you're supposed to have this heartfelt agreement with everyone. (Edit for clarification: This was a reference to general cultural elements such as positive feelings for a shared language that people are often assumed to be in agreement with by default. Not a comment about this forum or thread.) People should be free to think what they like, imo. If people don't particularly love their own language then that should be ok too. They're not doing anything wrong...
Liz Edited by Lizzern on 06 March 2014 at 10:02pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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