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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 41 of 46 17 October 2014 at 2:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I see... and how often do you use them? Do you already have one for Portuguese or is it something you do later on?
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| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4372 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 42 of 46 18 October 2014 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
And how many minutes per day did you shadow? I mean, if you shadow one chapter (say, 20 minutes of audio) per day and every chapter about 30 times, it'll take a month until you move on to the next chapter. Or did you shadow e.g. twice a day to accelerate the process? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4313 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 43 of 46 18 October 2014 at 3:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yes I did not stop at one play through of the chatper per day. At least two plays
through per day was my target. That number 30 is the total, and only for the first chapters, which like I said benefited especially from revision-listenings, making the totals for all chapters uneven. I typically shadowed for about a 50 minutes per day (worked out from memory and the total number of plays on iTunes). My course of progression was dictated by how soon I finished writing the chapter in the scriptorium. So let's say, at a rate of one A4 page per hour at one hour per day, it would take about 14 days and therefore roughly 20 listens to complete the chapter (each chapter is about 25 minutes long in the recording and 14 pages long in my edition). My increased facility in writing accounts for why my number of listenings for later chapters dropped. So in other words, and to simplify, if I had had 3 hours per day I would have spent 1 hour shadowing, one hour in scriptorium and the last hour on highlighting gender, plural type and prepositions. In total this project, at this rate, would have taken me less than 150 days. I say "if I had" because in fact I did a lot more work than 3 hours a day, often working 5 or more. All solidly on Siddhartha. But my views on methodology have changed since undertaking this around this time last year... were I to do it all again I would in fact lengthen the time period necessary, bu including other ongoing projects such as repeatedly re-reading parallel texts or reading children's literature. And, as I said, I would not progress from chapter to chapter but cycle through the chapters so that 1). the repetitions would be more spaced out and 2). the material would mentally settle into place as a smooth, continuous whole. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 44 of 46 18 October 2014 at 7:52pm | IP Logged | |||||
Bummer. I was about to say that I'm not aware of anyone who's actually shadowed an entire novel, and then I assumed you had. (Or does Prof.Argüelles do that? I've not seen many of his videos but I did read pretty much all his posts) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sterogyl Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4372 days ago 152 posts - 263 votes Studies: German*, French, EnglishC2 Studies: Japanese, Norwegian | Message 45 of 46 19 October 2014 at 9:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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Retinend, thank you for your explanation. Wow, 5 hours of language study a day are a lot. 50 minutes of shadowing daily are also remarkable. I guess I'll try my original approach first, dividing every chapter into chunks of 2 minutes, adding a new chunk every day. After having done this for a substantial amount of time, my overall capability to shadow should have improved. I don't do scriptorium, but I review the words/expressions with Anki on a daily basis and also write them out (I've been doing this for years now and it totally works).
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| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4313 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 46 of 46 19 October 2014 at 12:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes. I do think that what I did - with 200 pages of a novella - is a meaty task but possible given about 3 hours a day with a deadline of 4 months or so. But most novels have double that. That would be 8 months of concerted effort; in that space of time you could read everything the author wrote and get a decent understanding of it all. This is the dilemma between going deep and going broad. But if you go deep on a single complete work (shorter fiction like Siddhartha, say) the benefits are also there for future languages: I'm able to read the same story in another language now (Spanish) with quick comprehension (also revising my German by listening to the German audiobook while reading Spanish). I'll certainly buy a copy in any future languages I take up, too. Re Arguelles: He says that he shadows audiobooks in order to maintain his languages at advanced levels, but has also said that he dislikes re-reading books at a upper-intermediate level, preferring to build a sequence of increasingly difficult texts. I presume then that he shadows each book only one time when he "shadows" audiobooks. The latter meaning the activity of repeating a recording at the same time, not the "shadowing method" which encompasses Scriptorium and repeated cycling through recorded material. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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