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| aabram Pentaglot Senior Member Estonia Joined 5618 days ago 138 posts - 263 votes  Speaks: Estonian*, English, Spanish, Russian, Finnish Studies: Mandarin, French | Message 9 of 23 14 March 2014 at 10:33am | IP Logged | ||
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While I initially did, I've since stopped sweating about it. My "speaks" languages are those that I can comfortably use for my purposes. In my case this is mostly reading, watching TV and other passive stuff. My speaking is considerably weaker than my comprehension but I'm not particularly concerned about it. I feel that if needed I can catch up since I have good enough base and I've covered enough ground already.
"Studies" are those that I still can't comfortably use for my own everyday purposes. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4724 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 10 of 23 14 March 2014 at 11:45am | IP Logged | ||
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I see that people have somewhat different criteria for what they include as languages they "speak", and my point was really that the label "speak" isn't very clear, but I am not expecting this to be changed. A reference to CEFR would have been nice, but not everyone is familiar with this though. Or a split into "active" and "passive" knowledge.
@Serpent: I cannot really say that I do any formal study in Catalan, rather some informal study now and then. A language I have not on my list for instance is Dutch, although I did study it for quite some time many years ago. I can read Dutch without much difficulty, but I do not speak it, and I do not study it any longer, so I decided to be modest and not list it. @chokofingrz: Of course each one has to decide. What interested me was by which criteria people decided whether they list it as "speaking" or "studying". At a polyglot conference I would feel quite comfortable being spoken to in Catalan, but my reply would probably be a Catalan marred with "españolismos". @Solfrid Critina: I had the same doubts aobut Danish and Swedish and decided not to include them precisely because I don't speak them and I never studied them, I just understand them (although like you I can break into some "svorsk" when needed). Anyway, if I continue working with Romansh as I am doing today, I might "promote it" to "speak" in some months. And I am really looking forward to the day when Russian figures up there, and not as a language I study any longer. But that might still take a couple of years... Edited by Ogrim on 14 March 2014 at 11:47am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5419 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 11 of 23 14 March 2014 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | ||
You and me both, bro :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4338 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 12 of 23 14 March 2014 at 3:05pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've now been studying Russian for one year and I've done two conversational courses for A2 and B1 levels at university, passed both but I still don't think I'm fluid enough to call it a speak. Maybe in a year.
I know Swedish but I still don't think I am good enough in Norwegian to count that one as a speak, although I could probably get to a good level with like two weeks of immersion. Maybe once I've read a book in Norwegian and actually been to Norway and realized I can communicate all well in Norwegian I'll list it as a speak, but not yet. I was super hesitant to list Swedish as a speak but I decided that it's good enough(tm) on my own terms even though my active skills often fall into disrepair, but once I get my Swedish joints limber I'm ready to go. I can read books in Swedish and communicate with native speakers efficiently and normally so I figured I "dare" to add that one as a speak. I hope to make my speaks reach five during next year. I mean, I could do it right now "technically" but I don't want to feel like I'm lying to myself or yall. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6682 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 13 of 23 14 March 2014 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | ||
And the Belarusian linguistic community is quite closed :S I'm intimidated by those who actually learned it at school and now write in it online. And in cities the chance to meet someone who actually *speaks* the language and wants to speak it are quite slim. (school mostly teaches you to write rather than speak) My only exception to these standards is Latin, in which I can't have a conversation, even a written one. @Ogrim, my reply was at sillygoose1, actually. I'm the last one to say formal study is a must. I just understand that if you needed formal study to become passively fluent, and you can write well, it's very different from simply feeling the benefits of a related language. Edited by Serpent on 14 March 2014 at 5:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Falkenstein Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 4008 days ago 20 posts - 38 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Modern Hebrew Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 14 of 23 14 March 2014 at 7:25pm | IP Logged | ||
There is someone on youtube who filmed videos in Latin talking about random things using it like a living language. Edited by Falkenstein on 14 March 2014 at 7:25pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4994 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 15 of 23 14 March 2014 at 7:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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If I could write another language as well as the non-English natives on this thread have written in English, I would list that language as "speaking".
Ogrim, Tarvos, Serpent, Solfrid, aabram and Henkkles are just a few of the people here who inspire me. I figure if they can do it so evidently well with English, I just might make it with French, German or Hindi. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4338 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 16 of 23 14 March 2014 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | ||
Find forums to post on. Seriously. It's the best practice. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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