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| Corinwright1994 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4614 days ago 27 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 1 of 10 18 March 2014 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey guys. I hear a lot from people saying they enjoy being able to listen to content
whilst doing other stuff like going for a walk, housework etc etc. This is great, but is the content only really beneficial to you if you're at a certain stage already in the language in terms of listening? For example. I have seriously neglected any sort of listening in Portuguese..up until now, because i'm realising i've been far too lax in thinking i don't need to focus so much on listening because it's so similar to Spanish..even though it isn't. So will it be pointless for me to download some podcasts and listen to them on my way to the gym if it's all just noise to me? , other than the occasional word i recognise from spanish. Or in order to improve will I have to be listening to content whilst reading 20 or 30 times? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4641 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 2 of 10 18 March 2014 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think it's only beneficial if you're at a certain stage. If you're only understanding a word here and there only because of another language, you probably shouldn't listen to leisure/hobby podcasts yet.
Try beginner's level podcasts to get used to the sounds and do L/R to get the pronunciation. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Corinwright1994 Newbie United Kingdom Joined 4614 days ago 27 posts - 29 votes Speaks: Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 3 of 10 18 March 2014 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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thanks! could you recommend a good resource?
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| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4641 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 4 of 10 18 March 2014 at 8:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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You could try Portuguesepod101. And if you can find any book with the matching audiobook and listen while reading, that helps a lot (hence L/R).
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| napoleon Tetraglot Senior Member India Joined 5021 days ago 543 posts - 874 votes Speaks: Bengali*, English, Hindi, Urdu Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 5 of 10 18 March 2014 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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Since you already speak Spanish, maybe you can use that to your advantage.
FSI From Spanish to Portuguese is a perfect fit, IMHO. If you want to familiarize yourself with Portuguese pronunciation first, you can try FSI Programmatic Portuguese 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5267 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 6 of 10 18 March 2014 at 8:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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By all means, listen to Portuguese! I learned Portuguese after Spanish and Listening from the beginning is extremely important, especially after coming from Spanish where the pronunciation can be quite different. Portuguese has more vowel sounds, the "r's" and "rr's" are very different as are the "j's", the difference between open and closed vowels, etc. There's a difference between Spanish "esta" and Portuguese "esta" pronunciation of the final vowel even though they're the same word.
As a Spanish-speaker, you'll be able to understand a lot of Portuguese reading it. I had been listening to Brazilian music for a long time before I decided to learn the language. I understood some of it but not enough. When I started learning Portuguese, I read a book by Mozambican author Mia Couto on my kindle with the integrated monolingual Priberam dictionary. I also listened to the news daily (with a transcript) for several months. I learned a lot because I knew what the stories were in English, and I had a transcript to check. That makes it comprehensible. I also listened to native (non-learner intended) podcasts with transcripts. With a solid base in Spanish, this is doable. I hesitate to fill this post up with links because, you don't say which variety interests you the most. I could assume from your location in the UK that it would be the Iberian variety but I could be wrong. Portuguese is Portuguese but concentration on one variety (with familiarity with the other one) keeps your grammar and pronunciation uniform. In my opinion, being a Spanish-speaker, beginner's podcasts are not the way to go. Take the plunge into native materials straight away and you'll be able to leverage that knowledge more efficiently. Find a good resource to aid with pronunciation, plenty of resources are out there for both varieties. If I can help you with resources (for either variety) or advice, please let me know. I've been down the road before. Edited by iguanamon on 18 March 2014 at 9:23pm 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 7 of 10 18 March 2014 at 8:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, this was kinda the point of this thread. (read the whole thing, not just the initial post)
But the cool thing about related languages is that the more you listen, the more you understand. I started learning Spanish and Italian by watching football in them, then added LR and reading. At your level you'll find music very useful, I've started an article about that. See the section about lyricstraining too. And here's another useful thread. Champions League is starting, so I don't have the time to write about how awesome GLOSS is.... 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5537 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 10 18 March 2014 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | ||
If you haven't really listened to Portuguese yet, you may see some benefits just from hearing the sounds. This won't necessarily help your comprehension any, but it may help your brain detect syllable and word boundaries, and lay some groundwork for the future. At least for me, this process seems to be mostly automatic. If you want to improve your comprehension, you'll need some kind of "hook", some way to cheat and temporarily boost your understanding. For example, you could read through a transcript in the morning at home, and then loop the audio a bunch of times during the day, until you get bored and want to listen to something else. Or you could listen to lots of music, then look up the lyrics, and then listen some more. Or listen to an audiobook of book that you already know well. At higher levels, you can rely more on "internal" context, using the things you understand to puzzle out the rest. Basically, the more context you have, the more you'll be able to learn by listening. For example, I'm at a reasonably advanced level in French, but I was struggling with the French dub of Neon Genesis Evangelion, a TV series with a rather complicated and mysterious plot. So I turned on the French subtitles for a while, then turned them off (and rewound occasionally), then finished the series. After that, I read through a long article about the series on Wikipedia.fr, and I started re-watching the series from the beginning. And the second time through, my comprehension is much better, because I actually understand what's going on. Of course, this only works because Neon Genesis Evangelion is actually pretty good, and I because I can easily enjoy two back-to-back watchings. If you want to learn by listening and reading, it really helps to have stuff that you really like, because then you can make multiple passes through the material. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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