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| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 25 of 129 01 September 2014 at 11:59am | IP Logged | ||
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I feel like it is time to admit to myself, here in the open, that I want to speak
Swedish. Of course, the problem is I want to speak Swedish well, which will not come without practice. But I don't want to foist my awful pronunciation on any poor, unsuspecting native speaker. I'm thinking more in terms of output, these days. My Anki deck for Let the right one in was all passive, but now I'm looking more towards passive and active cards. Not only will this help prepare me for output, but it also helps with remembering the word. I have also been reading with an eye for the small details. I spent a half hour or so writing out phrases with interesting constructions and grammar, paying attention to things I'd like to be able to reproduce at some point when I get past my Catch-22 of language shame. For example, I wrote down nyfikna på, because if I were just guessing, I would have gone with nyfikna om or nyfikna av. Also, phrases like till och med. I read it, but I tend to read it as separate words and so get confused and have to look up the whole sentence. If I were producing, I would probably stick to Swenglish and say även. If I were listening, I would not have time to puzzle through to realise that till och med could actually be a set phrase. It's quite interesting, and I'm looking forward to reading up on the grammar behind these phrases and discussing them with my boyfriend (who gets as excited by these things as I do, thankfully!) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 26 of 129 03 September 2014 at 2:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Finally sat down and worked out how to input answers into anki last night. It took a
while, because I'm not even a little bit technologically minded, but I've got it now, and I'll probably never forget that 'till och med' construction again, I've had to go through it so many times. I quite like the answer cards, although I'll definitely have to experiment with them some more - I'm sure they could be more effective if I tweak the layout a bit. My favourite phrase from the sentences I put in last night is han dröjde sig kvar, probably because of the translation 'he lingered'. I like the verb 'to linger', and I like reflexive verbs, so this one is doing very well indeed. I'll definitely be looking for more phrases to put into anki. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 27 of 129 11 September 2014 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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My attention for the 6 week challenge has waned, and I've subsequently slipped down in
the ranks. This is okay, I guess, as where I am now is much closer to where I expected I would be. My concentration has been broken by first my boyfriend and then my (ex)roommate visiting me, and I don't see myself getting back into any kind of stride before the challenge ends. It turns out that I am fine with this. The challenge got my competitive side all fired up, which is great because it meant that I would try to do something almost every day. However, I was reluctant to spend time on other German and French, because it felt like I would be taking valuable time from Swedish. Now that I've given up my slightly less-than-valiant dream of placing 11th, I feel more at ease to practice other languages. Which is just as well, really, because I should have started reading Les Liaisons dangereuses ages ago! -- In other news, my roommate taught me a new French phrase: trou perdu. I say taught - she was teasing me about where I live, and called my area un trou perdu because it's so far away from everywhere we wanted to be. I laughed at her, but I quite like the expression. However, I don't know whether it is an expression that would be understood everywhere, or if it's an expression specific to the island where she lived. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 28 of 129 13 September 2014 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | ||
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The 6 Week Challenge is over!
I ended up 22nd - a far cry from 11th, but I'm still satisfied. Studying every day was great, and I'll try to carry on. I have Les Liaisons dangereuses staring accusingly at me from my floor, waiting for me to pick it back up. I have read the first five letters. Only 170 more to go! I also realised I missed the avertissement de l'éditeur and the préface du rédacteur, and read through those. I find the avertissement particularly entertaining:
Very funny indeed. -- I'm slowly working my way through Solsidan. I have a premium account with TV4 play, so I can watch the episodes with Swedish subtitles, but I may have to give that up soon as I am poor. In preparation, I have been watching the episodes without subtitles. My comprehension level has dropped dramatically as a result, but I can still follow the storyline well enough to not be confused. I spent a few hours watching subbed English programs, and I'll continue doing this, in the hopes that it'll have a similar effect as doing L-R. It requires me to read a lot more quickly than I am capable of, but I think it will help pull my level up even just a little bit. -- Finally, German. Oh, German, forgive me, for I have forsaken you! I know that getting back into the swing of German should be easy. It's just a simple matter of doing an exercise or two with Studio D, of reading a little bit of Alles Sense! every day, but I can't bring myself to do it. It's particularly easy to ignore German now that I have deleted my German anki deck. I don't regret getting rid of it. I didn't use it often, and felt guilty about this, so I would avoid anki altogether. It was neither fun, nor effective. I will probably start building a new one soon, when I pick back up my book. Although the words won't be nearly as useful, I think I'll enjoy using it more, and it will help me to read more. I also hope that my German friend - who has finally moved to London! - won't object to me reading from it to her. She is not a particular fan of Pratchett, as she doesn't understand his style well, but I really enjoyed reading aloud to her, and I also benefitted from the activity. I would read aloud for her, and she would translate certain passages or sentences back to me. I would then explain the passage to her. It took a lot of puzzling out to make sense of the text for both of us, but it's something I'd like to do again. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 29 of 129 16 September 2014 at 1:19am | IP Logged | ||
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Since last post, I've watched nine subbed episodes of Buffy. I'm sure it will surprise
no one to hear that I don't think I've learnt any new vocabulary*, but it provides some welcome consolidation of the vocabulary I do know, as well as interesting sentence structures. The translation often differs from the English, which gives me the opportunity to see (what I hope are) more natural constructions. I think the most effective way to use subbed programmes would be to then watch a dubbed version, but I think that finding a Swedish-dubbed English program is fairy unlikely, and there are very few things that I can stand to watch again. So, I'll keep on using it for consolidation. I've marked down a couple of interesting words and sentences from the subs, but I don't care to learn from it. I'm hoping that the more I watch, the more passive consolidation I'll get. I think I can get a good result just using subbed series teamed up with Swedish series and some intensive reading. *really, it's just an excuse not to do anything more productive with my time. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5209 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 30 of 129 16 September 2014 at 10:45am | IP Logged | ||
A great similar expression with the same meaning that someone in France taught me a while ago is "trou du cul du monde". I love the way it sounds. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chris13 Groupie FinlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4053 days ago 53 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 31 of 129 16 September 2014 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey Elenia, I'm not sure a dubbed version exists unfortunately. I had a look about on a few Swedish sites and kept getting the following result "Språk: Engelska
Text: Svenska, Norska, Danska, Finska". I'm curious, does your collection of Buffy have Swedish subs for all seasons? I can only watch seasons 4,5 and 6 with Swedish subs. I don't know how interested, if at all, you are in a series called "Charmed" but they all have Swedish subs and if you can get past the rather low budget special effects early on, maybe first two seasons, it's quite a good watch. I also usually watch Angel from series 2 onward, TBBT and Ghost Whisperer with Swedish subs. They are all very cheap on dvd these days as well, so if you like any of them that'd be a lot of extra hours worth of subbed Swedish. Glad to hear Buffy is helping you consolidate the vocabulary you've learned. Lycka till! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Elenia Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom lilyonlife.blog Joined 3858 days ago 239 posts - 327 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Swedish, Esperanto | Message 32 of 129 17 September 2014 at 12:19am | IP Logged | ||
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@garyb - that is an amazing expression. One of the things I love about French are these
kinds of expressions. It always shocks me when people speak of French as soft and poetic, because I imagine a French person swearing in my head and really it is anything but! @Chris13 - I watch my subbed series online on a Swedish site that is probably a little less than legal, so I'll say no more about that here. However, they do seem to have Swedish subs for all seasons. I did start watching Charmed with Swedish subs. The special effects turned me off quite a bit, but I will probably push through. I can't imagine it got so popular without having any redeeming features! Thank you for the tip about the other series, I'll definitely have a look into them! I also use SVT Play and TV4 Play. I find that SVT in particular can sometimes be a little creative with their subtitling. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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