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| brumblebee Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6776 days ago 206 posts - 212 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 1 of 12 08 December 2006 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | ||
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What about Rusyn? I've heard about it, ut I don't really know much about it.
And Slovenian? Is it close to Czech or BCS? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| lady_skywalker Triglot Senior Member Netherlands aspiringpolyglotblog Joined 6891 days ago 909 posts - 942 votes Speaks: Spanish, English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, French, Dutch, Italian | Message 2 of 12 08 December 2006 at 3:16pm | IP Logged | ||
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Slovenian is closer to BCS, as far as I know.
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| Deniz Bilingual Heptaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6820 days ago 94 posts - 97 votes Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, FrenchB2 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, Indonesian, Persian | Message 3 of 12 08 December 2006 at 3:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hey brumblebee- Rusyn is a dialect spoken in the eastmost Slovakia and a little wstern part of Ukraine. It is very close to Ukrainian. I have no adequate linguistic information, but I heard it spoken a couple of times and it seems to me that more slovak words are used. Slovenian is not as close to Czech as to Serbian and Croatian.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7157 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 4 of 12 08 December 2006 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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- Slovenian is also notable for a couple of reasons:
i) It still uses the dual (like Upper and Lower Sorbian) whereas the other modern Slavonic languages have lost 99% of the dual patterns. The loss has complicated the declension of Slavonic numbers and only traces of the dual show up in the other modern Slavonic languages when declining certain body parts that come in pairs. ii) Slovenia has arguably the most complicated situation with dialects within the Slavonic family. Even though only about 2 million people live there, there are anywhere from 10 to 40 dialects. - "Rusyn" is a tricky one. Many Ukrainians consider "Rusyn" (i.e. Transcarpathian Rusyn) to merely be an umbrella term for Ukrainian dialects with Slovak influence (or vice-versa). By this logic, Rusyn is not a separate Eastern Slavonic language on the same level as Belorussian, Russian and Ukrainian. This reasoning also points to the assertion that speakers of Transcarpathian Rusyn aren't independent of Ukrainians and deserving of special treatment. Some Rusyns would disagree strongly with that consideration and treat Rusyn as a separate language within the Eastern Slavonic group. There's a book called "A New Slavic Language is Born. The Rusyn Literary Language in Slovakia." written by Paul Magocsi who is an American scholar of partial Rusyn origin. Another problem is that "Rusyn" is used to describe the speech of Rusyns who live in northern Serbia. This variant is called "Pannonian Rusyn" and linguists usually link it with Transcarpathian Rusyn. However other linguists consider Pannonian Rusyn as Western Slavonic (i.e. genetically closer to Czech, Slovak and Polish) instead of Eastern Slavonic (i.e. genetically closer to Russian and Ukrainian). Trying to determine the status of Rusyn can be pretty difficult... By the way, Andy Warhol's parents were Rusyns and his parents emigrated from a village in what is now northeastern Slovakia (then northeastern Hungary). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Maladyets Groupie Ukraine Joined 6637 days ago 40 posts - 42 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Russian | Message 5 of 12 09 December 2006 at 12:07am | IP Logged | ||
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just in case you were wondering another lesser known slavic language is Kashubian.
it is in the lechtic slavic language and is spoken in north wester poland. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| brumblebee Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6776 days ago 206 posts - 212 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 6 of 12 18 December 2006 at 3:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Would Bulgarian be more useful than Ukrainian?
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| Deniz Bilingual Heptaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6820 days ago 94 posts - 97 votes Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, FrenchB2 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, Indonesian, Persian | Message 7 of 12 21 December 2006 at 5:02am | IP Logged | ||
It is out of debate, but anyway: Have you seen the Andy Warhol´s Museum in eastern Slovakia,Chung? It is one of the more ridiculous places in Slovakia-there is a huge cuboid abundantly decorated museum building in a rather small regional town of Medzilaborce. The contrast makes it a great spot for a short trip when in eastern Slovakia. And, you sound really good in those czech and slovak sound files :) Congrats! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Deniz Bilingual Heptaglot Groupie Czech RepublicRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6820 days ago 94 posts - 97 votes Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, FrenchB2 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Portuguese, Indonesian, Persian | Message 8 of 12 21 December 2006 at 5:11am | IP Logged | ||
The problem of Ukrainian is that virtually everybody in Ukraine can speak very decent russian and I do not even think, that using russian is regarded negatively, especially when You are a turist. Although the knowledge of russian is widespread in Bulgaria,too, it is not comparable to Ukraine. Both countries have wondeful vacation spots, a lot of historical sights and nice cities and both are relatively close to russian. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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