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Farley
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 Message 9 of 27
10 August 2007 at 9:39am | IP Logged 
furyou_gaijin wrote:


- excellent patterns for constructing new sentences through substitution;

- etc.

It is suprising how many topics can be covered by carefully remixing a sufficiently diverse set of very short dialogues.


I agree. What I have found of particular interest is that learning a number of very short dialogs is its own variation drill.
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 Message 10 of 27
10 August 2007 at 10:09am | IP Logged 
winters wrote:
So, poetry, prose excerpts, even folk art, all of that can pass, but dialogues from language learning textbooks - no.


I wasn't specifically referring to language textbooks but rather dialogues from situations close to real life: recently developed podcasts are a great source of those. Movies are another great source.
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 Message 11 of 27
10 August 2007 at 1:03pm | IP Logged 
Agreed. I get some great stuff from soap operas (TV dramas). But short podcasts, like chinese pod, are even more specific, and really focus on high frequency, useful phrases, so I think I'll listen to them more often. Thanks for the tips!
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 Message 12 of 27
10 August 2007 at 7:21pm | IP Logged 
maxb wrote:
audiolang wrote:

We all have our speaking styles ,that's why we don't have to imitate other people.


But you get your speaking style from imitating someone. We have all gotten our native accents by imitating someone (most likely our parents).


I remember reading an article somewhere about how kids learn languages, and discovered that generally kids don't learn their accent from their parents. Most of the time, they pick up their mannerisms from other kids, subconscious peer pressure and all that. This makes sense to me, as I grew up with quite a few kids whose parents were from the UK and Australia, but their kids spoke just like I did. Or I spoke just like they did. :)

The memorizing of a monologue or short text intrigues me. I've seen a video of that first fellow in Canada, and was amazed. But what I can't connect is how the memorization of this six minute piece of text and audio could translate to speaking an entire language with a native sounding accent.

I'm guessing it's because once you've mastered those six minutes, you've affectively trained your mouth muscles to move in that way?

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 Message 13 of 27
13 August 2007 at 11:25am | IP Logged 
winters wrote:
... but I absolutely refuse to memorise, and as such to carry inside of myself, something of absolutely no emotional or artistic value for me - and the dialogues you mention are precisely that.

I find that once a native dialogue starts to stick, just reproducing it and marvelling at the native-sounding result coming out of your mouth, is quite a powerful emotional and artistic experience all in itself ;o).
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 Message 14 of 27
13 August 2007 at 7:18pm | IP Logged 
For me I listened to a lot of German music, and that helped. I wouldn't say I memorized it to the point where I could sing it at the drop of a hat, but I could sing along with it, imitating their voices and so forth.

Memorizing texts is something I haven't really put much effort into, although I will likely do it with other languages I study.
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 Message 15 of 27
13 August 2007 at 10:14pm | IP Logged 
Yeah, I learned a lot of German folk songs. I know more than most Germans, at least the younger ones...
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 Message 16 of 27
13 August 2007 at 11:09pm | IP Logged 
Personally, I'd much rather memorize a dull dialog with high didactic value (i.e., containing lots of useful sentence fragments and themed vocabulary, such as those provided by Assimil or Living Language) than a dramatic monologue or poem that won't help me in everyday conversation. Hell, my francophone friends already laugh at me when I use constructs they consider too European (I live in Quebec), so I can't imagine their reaction if I started spouting Molière.


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