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| Gül Baba Triglot Newbie Hungary erikreadingbooks.blo Joined 6659 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Romanian, English Studies: Turkish | Message 17 of 97 01 September 2007 at 7:34am | IP Logged | ||
This Vladimir is very interested in Hungarian genes or anthropology. Let's give him some reading. The hungarian man - A magyar ember Vladimir specified that he knows Hungarian, so proceed to Genetikai időutazás - Az emberi populációk eredetének nyomában No study has asserted that Hungarians can be considered genetically Slavs. Yes our genetical reletedness with finn-ugric is less probable, but highly probable with turks. Read on Volt egyszer egy finnugor? About your country Slowakia. What events come to my mind? In many cases coloured people( students) have been attacked and killed, knifed to death just cause they were black. There is the case of Malina Hedvig who was attacked and bitten up just because she was speaking Hungarian on her mobile phone. Also there is the case that Slovak government officials forbade the "Új Szó", the Hungarian newspaper from Bratislava to use the "Pozsony" naming in Hungarian for the Slovak capital. Also it is very well know the anti-Hungarian feelings, hate and unrest of such party leaders like Jan Slota,Robert Fico,(part of Slovak government),Meciar. And so on... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes  2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 18 of 97 01 September 2007 at 9:04am | IP Logged | ||
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I better not react to this post, because I would be banned from the forum..
Stick to the topic please. Asiafeverr: I agree with Frisco that the 'Compagnon' - 'Peng2 you3' is a bit too far. Edited by Vlad on 01 September 2007 at 9:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 19 of 97 01 September 2007 at 6:49pm | IP Logged | ||
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While it is true about certain tensions between Hungarians and Slovaks, such cases are shocking just because they're rather rare. If they were commonplace, their shock value would be much lower. About those polititians (Fico, Meciar and Slota), meh. Their negative feelings toward Hungarians are known, so I don't think that their names are worth mentioning in this discussion.
About the genetic relatedness, one of my biology teachers (he fled Hungary in 1956) admitted in his words that "we Hungarians are mutts". The argument about which single ethnic element dominates seem to be characteristic of both the Finno-Ugrian supporters (Hungarians' dominant racial element is Finno-Ugric in keeping with the language) and the Turkic supporters (Hungarians' dominant racial element is Turkic despite the Finno-Ugric nature of the language). Perhaps examples such as my old biology teacher are now rare. In any case, his point was that such discussions are pointless now since Hungarians have been living in Central Europe for over 1000 years and mixing with Slavs, Germans and in some cases Romanians/Wallachians. All of these elements have been added to the Asiatic origins of Hungarians. Big deal. Frankly, men and women choose whom they want, and racial purity (not to mention linguistic purity) is illusory. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Gül Baba Triglot Newbie Hungary erikreadingbooks.blo Joined 6659 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, Romanian, English Studies: Turkish | Message 20 of 97 02 September 2007 at 10:14am | IP Logged | ||
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Unfortunately those events are not so rare in Slovakia.
I can mention the sad case of the student Daniel Tupý who was murdered by skinheads just because he head long hair and a guitar on his shoulder. This is the case when Slovak public realized that extremists attack not just dark skinned foreigners or gipsies, but also their ones. The links are from Slovak, Czech sites. And now some Hungarian ones: Slovak memorial is raised to the victims of extremisms Szlovák emlékművet avatnak a szélsőségek áldozatainak Demmel József Slovak nationalist organizations Demmel József: Szlovák nacionalista szervezetekről Vlágyimir ezekért a megjegyzésekért igazán nincs miért haragudjál. ;-) Chung try to take a stroll in a Slovakian city and mumble in Hungarian. Sorry for tackling an off topic subject. :) Edited by Gül Baba on 02 September 2007 at 10:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7015 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 21 of 97 02 September 2007 at 10:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Guys, try to return to the original topic rather than politics.
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| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 22 of 97 02 September 2007 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | ||
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Gül Baba:
I really don't know how to react to your posts without breaking the rules of this forum.. I suggest you read them too before posting, especially if you are a new member. This forum is usually a very peaceful place with intelligent members whom I respect and a place we all like to visit again and again. One of the reasons why it is peaceful is, that political topics as well as personal attacks (not to mention offensive statements directed against another country) are not allowed so keep it that way. Just remember that my indifference to you is absolutely and by no means a sign of approval to a single word that you wrote. This thread was intended to discuss a small similarity I noticed between the Mandarin and Hungarian languages with ZERO intention to offend. If you have something that you can contribute with please do so. Anyways.. for those interested, I will keep you guys updated if I come across more Mandarin/Hungarian similarities or coincidences and drift back into the world of possible mutual influence. I know that it is a very far stretch and to a large extent improbable, but possible and exciting. Maybe when I indulge myself into more studies next month I'll try to find some books on the topic, so bare with me. All the best 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 23 of 97 02 September 2007 at 11:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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Several of the books or articles that push for links between Hungarian and languages other than Uralic or Altaic ones are considered to be fanciful.
I've already browsed articles about similarities between Hungarian and Sumerian, Hungarian and Egyptian, Hungarian and Etruscan, and Hungarian and Maori. I remember once reading part of a book by Kazar Lajos called "Japanese-Uralic Language comparison: Locating Japanese origins with the help of Samoyed, Finnish, Hungarian etc." While it's not about Mandarin, it does discuss possibilities of Hungarian being linked to Japanese, which in itself doesn't turn out to be impossible, if we consult the research of Greenberg, Starostin and the Nostratic school. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 24 of 97 03 September 2007 at 2:32am | IP Logged | ||
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What did Kazar consider to be the main links? I believe he concentrated mainly on the nature of the languages itself and their construction than vocabulary similarity. Edited by Vlad on 03 September 2007 at 2:32am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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