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Art07
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 Message 9 of 49
02 February 2008 at 9:16am | IP Logged 
Come on, guys! This test and post is merely a trick to propagate Esperanto.
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Sprachprofi
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 Message 10 of 49
02 February 2008 at 11:50am | IP Logged 
Art07 wrote:
Come on, guys! This test and post is merely a trick to propagate Esperanto.


Umm, actually not. To promote Esperanto, I would have presented an analytical method, because the easiness and regularity of Esperanto isn't really visible in a text like this. Also, I chose questions of really varying difficulty, to see how much people have actually picked up. Right now the answers look very interesting. Everybody suggests that the reading is easy and not too tiring, but the amount of vocabulary and grammar remembered afterwards varies greatly, and not just depending on prior knowledge.

What would really be interesting would be to see this method applied to a language that even less forum members can guess at, for example Japanese, Mongolian, Latvian, Hawaiian or something (in romanisation). That would really tell of its value in teaching. Could anybody write up a little text?

Also, do you know any textbooks based on this method except Lingua Latina?
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Alkeides
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 Message 11 of 49
02 February 2008 at 11:54am | IP Logged 
There is one Spanish book based directly on Lingua Latina too.
http://www.fostrum.com/index_e.html

I'm afraid I know not of anything else similar to Lingua Latina save this; although I have heard that Thrasymachus and the Italian version of "Athenaze", which both contain Ancient Greek, can work similarly to Lingua Latina.
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aru-aru
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 Message 12 of 49
02 February 2008 at 12:13pm | IP Logged 
Sprachprofi, i think not easy to guess languages would be worth a try. I'll try finding that latin book mentioned in previous posts or something similar, to take a better look on how they build it, and if i find it, i'll try making a sample test in latvian.
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Art07
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 Message 13 of 49
02 February 2008 at 2:38pm | IP Logged 
Sprachprofi wrote:
Umm, actually not.


Than why did you ask guys who know European languages take part in the test that is based on the language that was made as a mix of different european languages? Why not arabic, a language that is not so common on this forum, or, for example, swahili?

Edited by Art07 on 02 February 2008 at 2:39pm

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Sprachprofi
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 Message 14 of 49
02 February 2008 at 2:52pm | IP Logged 
Art07 wrote:
Sprachprofi wrote:
Umm, actually not.


Than why did you ask guys who know European languages take part in the test that is based on the language that was made as a mix of different european languages? Why not arabic, a language that is not so common on this forum, or, for example, swahili?


Very simply: because the only languages I know well enough to write up a text and test like this would be German, English, French or Esperanto. I don't want to risk teaching something that's not correct. And among those languages, Esperanto is the least-studied on this forum.

Feel free to write your own test of this method, in fact I have requested that people do so, so that I might test it for myself better.

Edited by Sprachprofi on 02 February 2008 at 2:54pm

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Art07
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 Message 15 of 49
02 February 2008 at 2:59pm | IP Logged 
Sprachprofi wrote:
Feel free to write your own test of this method, in fact I have requested that people do so, so that I might test it for myself better.


I know well only Russian. :)

Back to the theme. If you are really into testing the idea and not to promote Esperanto (what I doubt) then the point is that is not a good idea to ask guys from similar language groups to read the language that is in those groups. I'm Russian, if you ask me to read Ukraninian, I'll get almost everything but I doubt that whould be the case for an English speaker or for a Chinese speaker.

Edited by Art07 on 02 February 2008 at 3:07pm

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aru-aru
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 Message 16 of 49
02 February 2008 at 4:05pm | IP Logged 
Art07, well but most people here have an european language as their first language and are studying 2-3 other european languages (check the statistics under "Languages" in this forum). Some users here even seem to stick to one or two language families, and are using the language transparency to quickly increase the number of languages they speak. So if seen in that light, the choice of esperanto isn't that ridiculous after all.

Someone posted this link to a language aptitude test a while ago:
http://www.sil.org/americas/brasil/EnglPuzz.htm
It's based on a concept similar to the esperanto reading test.



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