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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6600 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 25 of 49 03 February 2008 at 10:40am | IP Logged | ||
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The first part in the 5th actually has three choices, sorry that I didn't make it clear.
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| Asiafeverr Diglot Senior Member Hong Kong Joined 6345 days ago 346 posts - 431 votes 1 sounds Speaks: French*, English Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese, German | Message 26 of 49 03 February 2008 at 11:04am | IP Logged | ||
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The text is quite easy to read but I am fluent in English and French, which helps a lot. I wonder if a native speaker of Mandarin who knows the letters of the alphabet but no European languages could understand it.
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Here is the text in Pinyin (romanization of Mandarin). Can anyone with no knowledge of Mandarin understand it? By the way I translated the text so it may contain mistakes.
Bólín zài Déguó . Déguó zài Oūzhōu . Xīní zài Aòdàlìyà . Aòdàlìyà bú zài Oūzhōu Shànghǎi zài nǎlǐ ? Shànghǎi zài Zhōngguó . Zhōngguó zài nǎlǐ ? Zhōngguó zài Yàzhōu . Dōngjīng zài nǎlǐ ? Dōngjīng zai Rìběn ma? Shì de, Dōngjīng zài Rìběn . Rìběn zài Yàzhōu ma? Shì de, Rìběn zài Yàzhōu . Bālí zài nǎlǐ ? Bālí zài Zhōngguó ma? Bù , Bālí bú zài Zhōngguó . Bālí zài Fǎguó . Fǎguó zai Yàzhōu ma? Bù , Fǎguó bú zài Yàzhōu . Fǎguó zài Oūzhōu . (Photo of Arnold Schwarzenegger) Tā shì Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger. Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger shì nǎlǐrén ? Tā shì Aòdìlìrén ma? Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger lái zì Aòdìlì : tā shì Aòdìlìrén , kě shì tā zhù zài Jiālìfúníyǎ. Jiālìfúníyǎ zài nǎlǐ ? Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Déguó ma? Bù , Jiālìfúníyǎ bú zài Déguo; Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Měiguó. Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger shì Jiālìfúníyǎ de zǒngdū . Tā shì yǎnyuán . Shěi shì Měiguó de zǒngtǒng ? (Photo of Jules Vernes) Tā shì Jules Verne. Jules Verne zài Fǎguó de Nántè lǐmiànshì . Tā shì Fǎguórén . Tā shì zuòjiā . Edited by Asiafeverr on 03 February 2008 at 4:42pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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1) Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger as Arnold Schwarzenegger 2) Jules Verne as Jules Verne 3) zài = wrote 4) Tā shì = it is that's all 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6473 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 29 of 49 03 February 2008 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think to make this work in Chinese you really have to find city and country names that aren't too distorted. That would mostly be Chinese cities, I'm afraid, most other cities are hardly recognizable... maybe Lima, but then Peru already is not recognizable... it's a problem with Chinese phonology I believe. Maybe in the case of Chinese you really have to provide a map with the text. Edited by Sprachprofi on 03 February 2008 at 12:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
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zài actually means at/in (Jules Verne zài Fǎguó de Nántè lǐmiànshì = Jules Verne is born in Nantes, France). Can anyone else try?
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I think this should only work for the languages from one or close language group. For example, I think you heard of Slovio (http://www.slovio.com/). Slovio, is the international simplified Slavic language, as simple as Esperanto but understood by some 400 million people around the world. When I read sample texts in Slovio I can understand those texts. But for those who knows no Slavic language those text would be like Chinese to me.
I think before each text for the test in a new language there should be some clues that exmplain the language (or the test) in a nutshell. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6442 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 32 of 49 03 February 2008 at 2:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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I have never studied Chinese. I have read a small amount about it, and know a few - very few - words, as shown by the fact that I haven't managed to positively identify the word for China, and don't know it offhand.
-- zài clearly means in, especially by analogy to other texts using this method. Shànghǎi is clearly the city of the same name in English. Jiālìfúníyǎ is clearly California. Měiguó is America, I think; but I think I may have been previously aware of this (doubly embarrassing if I'm wrong!). Shì de = yes/that is so/confirmation. Bu = no/not. ma = a question marker, but I already knew that. nǎlǐ = where. Fǎguó = France, Fǎguórén = French citizen/Frenchman. Hence: "Shànghǎi zài nǎlǐ?" = "Where is Shanghai? Rìběn zài Yàzhōu ma? = "Is Rìběn in Yàzhōu?" - I don't know what the places are, but the construct is clear. Bù , Bālí bú zài Zhōngguó = "No, Bālí is not in Zhōngguó". "Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Déguó ma? Bù , Jiālìfúníyǎ bú zài Déguo; Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Měiguó." = "Is California in Déguó? No, California is not in Déguó; California is in America". Inference chains: Bólín <- Déguó <- Oūzhōu. Bālí <- Fǎguó <- Oūzhōu Xīní <- Aòdàlìyà Shànghǎi <- Zhōngguó <- Yàzhōu . Dōngjīng <- Rìběn <- Yàzhōu Jiālìfúníyǎ <- Měiguó. Aòdàlìyà is NOT in Oūzhōu. Bālí is NOT in Zhōngguó. Fǎguó is NOT in Yàzhōu Jiālìfúníyǎ is NOT in Déguó. Guesses: Bólín, Déguó = Berlin, Germany? Aòdìlì, Aòdìlìrén = Austria, Austrian? Yàzhōu = China? Oūzhōu = Europe? Tā shì = This is shěi = place someone was born / nationality shì = lives / lives in? Fǎguó = France, Fǎguórén = French citizen/Frenchman. zuòjiā = author? (wild guess) lǐmiànshì, lái = was born "Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger lái zì Aòdìlì : tā shì Aòdìlìrén , kě shì tā zhù zài Jiālìfúníyǎ." Arnold Schwarzenegger was born in Austria : he is Austrian, and he lives in California/but he now lives in California. "Jules Verne zài Fǎguó de Nántè lǐmiànshì. Tā shì Fǎguórén." Jule Verne was born in France, in Nantes. He is French (a Frenchman/French citizen). Oūzhōu confuses me a lot, because what Aòdàlìyà (which seems very close to Aòdìlì, which I think means Austria) isn't in it, but France (and what I -think- is Germany) is. My best guess is that Aòdàlìyà actually means Australia, and there are similar phonetic changes going on to convert the two similar words into two similar Chinese ones, rather than some sort of derivation between them? Oūzhōu as "Europe" also negates my guess of Bālí to mean the place of the same name in Asia, in favor of it being a place I can't identify in France (Paris???). "Jiālìfúníyǎ zài nǎlǐ ? Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Déguó ma? Bù , Jiālìfúníyǎ bú zài Déguo; Jiālìfúníyǎ zài Měiguó." Where is California? Is California in Déguó (Germany?). No, California is not in Déguo; California is in America. "Ānuòdé Schwarzenegger shì Jiālìfúníyǎ de zǒngdū . Tā shì yǎnyuán . Shěi shì Měiguó de zǒngtǒng ?" - I lack context for this. I've come up with several guesses, but they are only guesses, and wildly diverge.
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