jimbo baby Groupie United States Joined 6081 days ago 61 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 9 of 28 17 April 2008 at 5:30pm | IP Logged |
The protectionists are usually from the older generations born before the war. The younger French generations are usually very receptive to the English language and American pop culture. I was looking through the Paris Match magazine and I was amazed to see how much franglais and references to hollywood are used throughout the magazine. I would like to see countries preserve their own identity instead of adopting a foreign identity. The trend toward Anglicization and Americanism is a big problem everywhere, not just in France. Sometimes I wonder if I should even bother studying a foreign language.
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frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6941 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German
| Message 11 of 28 17 April 2008 at 6:25pm | IP Logged |
Polar wrote:
The United States has no national language ... |
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This, however, begs the question of whether the US is being stupid while the French are being smart.
Edited by frenkeld on 17 April 2008 at 7:04pm
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chelovek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6085 days ago 413 posts - 461 votes 5 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 12 of 28 17 April 2008 at 6:30pm | IP Logged |
ZeroTX wrote:
*shrug* Silly protests.
English is full of words from French. We use the word that fits the need or additional words to mean the same thing (synonyms). It prevents repetition. I love it. There's always at least 10 ways to express the same thought. I believe it makes writing (and reading) native English a very rich experience. I can understand the sentiments of the French, but it's a futile effort. In truth, it has little to do with the "protection" of the French language and more to do with a bitter mourning of the loss of the "universal language" title to the English language. At one time this universal language title indeed belonged to the French language, but times "they are a changin'."
-Michael
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I vote for Spanish as the 2nd place "world language" after English, followed by Mandarin... I think French can have 4th place! Or perhaps we should just go back to Latin? :) |
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There's a huge difference between a language having some borrowed words, and a song for a national contest being sung in English. It would be as silly as having someone sing a German song during the Superbowl halftime show, or a Miss America pageant.
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Side comment about the US: The US technically has no official language, but the common language is without a doubt English. If you want to be naturalized (ie. get US citizenship), you must have a working knowledge of English as well. So, although we don't technically have an official language, I'd say it's "officially unofficially" English. :p
Edited by chelovek on 17 April 2008 at 6:36pm
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Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish
| Message 13 of 28 17 April 2008 at 6:41pm | IP Logged |
Polar wrote:
Boy, Chung, thank goodness you pasted the ENTIRE article in your post. Otherwise we would have never known what you are talking about. Good job!
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Just quoting you so that we all know that we're on the same page. Touchy, aren't we?
More to the point (after seeing your posting of this type of article for the nth time in this forum), what do you think of this matter? It's one thing to keep posting articles like this. It'd be another for you to add some of your commentary about it. We won't bite your head off. Promise.
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IbanezFire Senior Member United States Joined 6692 days ago 119 posts - 124 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Russian
| Message 14 of 28 17 April 2008 at 6:47pm | IP Logged |
Polar wrote:
IbanezFire, if the link doesn't work you can cut and paste it into your browser and bring it up that way. |
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Yes, I copied it and it doesn't work.
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And I noticed you made the claim about Language Protectionism in the U.S. but chose not to provide an example. |
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Deleted my response, because this argument will degenerate into a big ol' POS and everyone will be dumber for reading this thread.
So yes, the French are evil.
Edited by IbanezFire on 17 April 2008 at 6:54pm
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ipanema Newbie United States Joined 6526 days ago 37 posts - 38 votes Studies: French
| Message 15 of 28 17 April 2008 at 8:01pm | IP Logged |
Isn't something like 30% to 40% of the English vocabulary from French? Because of the medieval occupation of
England by the French. I dunno, most of us have to feel passionate defense about something. So they're defensive
about their language. *shrugs* Its kinda comical to me. ^^
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ZeroTX Groupie United States Joined 6133 days ago 91 posts - 100 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish
| Message 16 of 28 17 April 2008 at 8:21pm | IP Logged |
Were it in the United States, the government would be accused of racism if they attempted to protect the English language. In fact, anyone who attempts to promote English-only in any area is flat out accused of racism by the irrational Left. Perhaps we're jealous that in France they actually stand up for themselves with strong rhetoric, as opposed to the watered-down politically-correct garbage that rule the headlines here.
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