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| sigiloso Heptaglot Groupie Portugal Joined 6778 days ago 87 posts - 103 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, PortugueseC1, Galician, French, Esperanto, Italian Studies: Russian, Greek | Message 25 of 38 15 May 2009 at 6:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
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TOFFELIZ
There are many issues about you, this is a problem cause I know nothing about you but a nickname and age and this is no good cause this would need a lot of dialogue to be adjusted to your circumstances, specially I would need to know if you are a girl or a boy, I dont do guesswork on circumstances. And this is gonna be little about languages contrary to the philosophy of the thread but I am starting to get this “wholistic” view of the human psyche and, to be honest with you, increasingly anxious about the risk of telling irrelevant crap to people. I hope I dont go too off reality with you, but hold in mind something very important: that when one is your age, knowledge of oneself is still very foggy and very well may happen that some of lateteenagers and twenty somethings -I am a thirtysomething he he- among you are not living in accord to your real being, for me thats the point, to live according to what one really is deep inside. You know, learning languages, having children, being a good employee, playing poker, just lying down and dream, anything can be meaningful or meaningless depending on that very issue. Anyway, (what a speech, sorry): Before I forget, maybe you have been curious about whether you have Sun in Aries or Pisces, since you are at the point when Sun moves from one into the other. Actually your Sun just entered Aries, but dont think too much about those things, popular astrology crap on Sun signs is a load of nonsense. . About languages, once again yes, you have very strong Jupiter on the ascendant in trine with Sun and sextile with Moon in Gemini, so if you read previous posts about the “Jupiterean thing” that loosely would apply to you as well.. you know, a certain penchant to long distant travel and expand horizons. This theme is starting to take swinish pandemic proportions, he he. However I feel this is not the most important thing about you, in fact there are two somewhat problematical areas (but DONT WORRY, they are a chance to great development too) that I feel can override or interfere with the languages thing. To be honest with you, this is the less into-languages chart so far in the thread in my opinion, I can be wrong. Dont get me wrong, I will never ever would tell anybody not to learn languages. In fact the beauty of it is its flexibility and value as general foundation for any sort of knowledge or activity. But I feel that for you probably would be better treated as a general means to round up your education, allow you to travel and to exchange information about whatever is the central point in your life. Now the two points I would like to discuss with you can loosely be named ABOUT ARTISTIC VISIONARY MIND, and ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS. ABOUT MIND: if you could read what I said about Jar-Ptitsa Mercury, that would apply to you in most parts, and if you, Jar, are by any chance reading around these parts, many things here could be for you too; actually maybe you could be good friends if you contact each other.. I would like to explain it better here. You have a Mercury in Aries in tough square angles to Neptune and Uranus. Now what does this mean. Arggg. It means you have an unusual stressed mind attuned to transpersonal levels of consciousness, which means that sometimes you may have erratic outlandish impatient with other people slow logical mind ways of thinking, which can have some problems to it, while sometimes your mind can have visionary highly artistic insightful raptures. What I wanted to tell you is that, in my opinion, it is absolutely critical that you find some positive outlet to this unless you wanna f**k up your life big time. There are in my opinion four outlets: 1) the arts, any form of self expression that you like is fine 2)the occult sciences, any school or path 3) spiritual life, any religion or school is fine 4) psychic arts of counseling, could be tarot, whatever. You take your pick, if you dont, at your own risk, but if some day you are going through a difficult transit of some planet over your Mercury, you can end up in some stupid conventional psychologist office and be persuaded that you are nutty and you are put on pills. Sometimes I feel that if the great visionary poet-painter William Blake would have live in our time, he would have been put on pills and we all would have lost something. Dont ever be an “unhappy girl, left all alone, playing solitaire, playing warden of your soul, you are in a prison of your...own device” (made into a song by The Doors). Now, theres something important I d like you to know: in year 2010 transiting Uranus approaches and hit your natal Sun. This can be a crazy time, or a terrific opportunity to take advantage of your special mind. After I learned some astrology, I looked backed and found that, as a good deal of astrologers, I have started to learn precisely when transiting Uranus went over my Sun. That was a strange magical summer. I contacted strange people, I was like a kid in unsuccessful film “Lady in the Water”, “able to see the extraordinary in the ordinary”. I would wake up one night and deliver a strange speech on the place of Kabbalah in a new body of knowledge, “Sciences of Synchronicity”, when, in fact, all I know about Kabbalah is that name, Ka-ba-lah, and that has to do something with Judaism. Is like that, you receive knowledge from the Universal Mind ( “I was doing time in the Universal Mind...”-The Doors- “ the doors, of perception, when they are open, they will show the world as it is: infinite”. I would recommend you to get into the arts or psychic matters big time during that year and after. You must know that this Mercury, Venus, and Sun, are in 10th house of career or public impact one has. Your Sun is right on Mid Heaven, which means that you badly need to have some sort of recognition. I am not saying that you need or are going to be famous big time or whatever, you know, is just that you would love to, at least at some point, get a little bit of a profile, even if transient. Now, Venus in 10th house is typical of people who want to do a career out of dealing with beautiful things of one kind or another. However, beautiful things, and relationships, believe it or not, in astrology are embodied by that very same symbol, Venus, and again you have an stressed Venus, which means that probably you would better do something about relationships if dont wanna have it have a bad impact on career. Which leads me to my second topic: ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS.I am sorry, but relationships dont come easy to you IN GENERAL, but now again you are in a special moment. Hold on I clarify: you have the dam problem Venus-Saturn, Saturn in 7th house of relationships. Me myself have Saturn in 7th so understand this well. The crucial point that happens here is that the normal channels of expressing affection are f**ked by Saturnian inhibitions, love doesnt flow well, and you know how it is about love, you have to give in order to receive. I met women with this and is amazing: narrow lips, virgin at thirty something, sometimes even frigidity, recipe for spinsterhood. Now dont get me wrong: it is possible to work on it and eventually be a master on the area, faithful, commited and with a late but happy marriage. However, many of us Saturn 7th choose loneliness for life, which is an option, mind you. However it is my duty to tell you that you have North Nodes in 7th too, life is asking you to do an effort. And I have to tell you that NOW and for some time after now, is the moment. Transiting Pluto is hiting your Venus and often that is the signal of an intense transformative-on-love-issues relationship coming or maybe already have come. Even more, Jupiter is going through your 8th house of sexuality which means is a great time to go big time in the area, explore and take contact with your own sexual needs. I recommend you to get laid right now, you may never have a better time in your life -but dont exaggerate-. The problem is that, believe it or not, if you dont do anything about this matter, it can have an impact in all other areas. For example, this Saturn is just in front of Jupiter: people who have this, in their teens more, can have an alternation of tremendous activity and growth for some days or weeks, and then a complete derangement and going blue for another period, on and on. It is not some bipolar thing, I tell you, is this alternation. But gets better with age, dont worry. That's it! I appreciate feedback if all wrong. PM me if you feel ashamed to discuss yourself in public. Edited by sigiloso on 15 May 2009 at 6:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Whiskeyjack Newbie Canada Joined 5731 days ago 36 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish, Spanish, Russian | Message 26 of 38 15 May 2009 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5897 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 27 of 38 15 May 2009 at 7:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hi sigiloso Yes, I read it. My mind’s definitely unusual stressed, but I’m not impatient with other people I think. I’ve some artistic hobbies (it’s what you refer?) for example I play piano, dance and before I did gymnastic. I like art as well and probably I can be psychic because I know those things but I’m not a witch. what exactly you mean: ---- “you can end up in some stupid conventional psychologist office and be persuaded that you are nutty and you are put on pills. Sometimes I feel that if the great visionary poet-painter William Blake would have live in our time, he would have been put on pills and we all would have lost something.” ? it’s better don’t take pills? yes, I think as well but before it wasn’t possible hear what the people told in my real-live (sometimes) and this was extremely stress and nasty but it’s not my fault or I don’t cause this also but they had chose me because they would like I do those things, because they’re annoyied (or it’s possible they’re jealous). I haven’t nothing to say in this things because the nasty lier teacher in my old school told about 500 (0r more) people that I did something’s which I did NOT, for example, and other accusations of ridiculous things, which I don’t as well, but she manipulated all the people also in cities where I was NEVER in all my live!!!!. When I’m 18, it will be different because when you’ve the majority you’ve more to say. What exactly you mean “don’t ever be etc.?” when it would happen? I will go in the prison and left alone? I didn’t criminal things at all. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sigiloso Heptaglot Groupie Portugal Joined 6778 days ago 87 posts - 103 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, PortugueseC1, Galician, French, Esperanto, Italian Studies: Russian, Greek | Message 28 of 38 15 May 2009 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Hi Jar! Dont worry about anything!
>>I’m not impatient with other people I think. Thats cause the Uranus side of it is less in you, but Toffeeliz has it stronger and his Mercury is more fighting than yours in Pisces, yours is more Neptunian, more dreamy, psychic, etc. >>I’m not a witch I know, I know ha ha. But get a broomstick just in case some day... just kidding. But seriously, Pluto is important for you and has a conection with magic, the occult... >>what exactly you mean: “you can end up in some stupid conventional psychologist >>office and be persuaded that you are nutty and you are put on pills. Sometimes I >>feel that if the great visionary poet-painter William Blake would have live in our >>time, he would have been put on pills and we all would have lost something.” Dont worry about this. I was just trying to explain that other people with a less inspired mind can well fail to understand this different attunement and take it for what it is not (being a bit nutty). I mentioned Willian Blake as an example of someone who, guided by strange visions, created interesting and inspiring paintings and poems. >>it’s better don’t take pills? No in certain cases. I dont dismiss modern psychiatry but sometimes I feel supposedly crazy people are not so crazy and what happens is they have a mind highly receptive of collective psychic stuff. This is a big topic not to be dealt with in a forum about languages. >>they had chose me because they would like I do those things, because they’re annoyied (or it’s possible they’re jealous). That could be the case. Probably you are very magnetic, the sort of person it is difficult to ignore when you are in a room full of people. This is your Pluto issue. Dont worry. f**k them. >>the nasty lier teacher in my old school told about 500 (0r more) people that I did something’s which I did NOT, and other accusations of ridiculous things, which I don’t, but she manipulated all the people also in cities where I was NEVER in all my live! This is very interesting. Do you remember what I told you about star Fomalhaut? Knowledge about stars is not very well elaborated but I find it interesting. I got this feeling that in the minus side, one suffers occasionally unfair slander, or they violate your communications. I have my Mercury exactly where you do, and in my case took the form of people messing with my intimate writings (diaries, love letters) which highly upset me since intimacy and secrecy is highly important to me. >> What exactly you mean “don’t ever be etc.?” when it would happen? I will go in the prison and left alone? I didn’t criminal things at all. Oh no! Dont worry. That is just the lyrics of a song by The Doors, the old group from the late 60s, which is based on a poem by William Blake, since I mentioned him I was inspired to quoted from memory...dont worry I am a bit poetical myself, I have square Mercury-Neptune too, he he. About "left all alone" however it is possible that could strike a sympathetic note on Toffeliz since people like s/he and me with Saturn in 7th house are a bit solitary. I know you have good love life. Kiss to the most brilliant teenager polyglot of Western Europe. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5897 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 29 of 38 17 May 2009 at 11:33am | IP Logged | |||||
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Sigiloso
Thank you for explaining all the things ☺ It’ nasty that they have messed with your intimate writings. Of course you were highly upset. They want to know all what I think as well and I can write many of pages about what they have done for discover this and other attempts at for example remove my thoughts (for completely destroy me although mostly not, but nevertheless absolutely not acceptable. Don’t worry I know some good strategies for prevent this for example of the internet (use the foreign languages only during when I’m online). But this is your nice and interesting Astrology and Polyglot thread therefore I will not put all the things here, but for sure the star Formal haut is a nasty one. I agree with all the things which you wrote in the preceding post, but I’m not the “most brilliant teenager polyglot of Western Europe. “ at all. Thank you for this nice compliment but for sure I’m not it. Also I didn’t tell about my love life: I told only I’ve a best friend since some years and I hope that we will marry . Your commentary: this refer this? He will marry with me, do you predict? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sigiloso Heptaglot Groupie Portugal Joined 6778 days ago 87 posts - 103 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, PortugueseC1, Galician, French, Esperanto, Italian Studies: Russian, Greek | Message 30 of 38 18 May 2009 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Oh Jar dont ask me that. I only have a few basics and for accurate prediction we will need more techniques, his data etc. Just try to have faith in life and yourself, OK? But if you are very concerned about it you can PM me with his data and yours again (I remember your chart but only highlights, I didnt store them), and can have a very quick look to get a flavour of general "compatibility" or not, and I PM you back, OK?
WHISKEYJACK Sorry about delayed comments, I was all weekend off-line. What's worse, yours is one of those charts I find difficult to fathom, sorry, my unexperience! Anyway lets do our customary survey on Mercury. Sextile Saturn (strong) Square Uranus (strong) Quintile Mars Trine Moon Trine Jupiter (negligible) The two angles more influencing thus are the same that for Dark Sunshine, please refer to that post for what I said to him, will apply to you too. In your case maybe there are more tension between rebellious thought and tradition, but reasonableness and practicality will predominate I guess cause your Mercury is in Virgo adding an overtone of thought geared to practical life, with excellent annalitical skills, only with some danger of being bogged down by details, perfectionism and overcriticism, but is supposed to be a good placement. I wouldnt pay too much attention to any of this, point is your Mercury seems very functional, be it languages or whatever. I supposed you are the sort of learner who prefer Teach Yourself to Assimil, or equivalents, I mean to say, you need ALL the information , he he; one might or may not like Teach Yourself, but one has to give it to them, they usually explain things properly. Analyzing rules patiently is the sort of awful job others abhore but not you presumably. Is to be noted that you almost completely lack planets in air element. I interpret this, based on my own feelings of my strong Mercury-but-no-air situation, as a dislike for small talk, while at the same time when the right person is met, big time interesting or, in your case, practical, conversation, can occur. You know, these people who seem always willing to open gob to say nothing, they have plenty of air element. No big deal anyway. I dont know your circumstances but I intuit you are a newcomer to our business and your motivation to consult is you wonder if this is for you, or if you should go big time on it, this sort of thing. I do so cause your progressed Sun is right over your natal Mercury these days, that means you are in a time of your life you have become quite intellectual suddenly, trying quickly to hone your mental and communication abilities. Maybe you are buying books often, engaging in study of this and that question, and digesting information. Is just normal, just do it and it will stay with you afterwards as an asset. It is good time, if you have not decided over which language or languages you are going to invest on, to read surveys of languages and reflect on issues of demographics, culture, etc to see which one would seem to suit you better according to your circumstances. You can just listen to a number of them to see if you like the sound of it, or flirt with a few initial lessons with books from the library to see if something inside you tells you "this is the one". Remember that flirting is allowed, but not divorce after marriage, he he. Now, the question that arises is, how big a profile language study should have within the general issues of your life, that is the question I fear but should address he he. You know the answer is yours always, not of a pseudo-astrologer in the forum. However, apart from a functional Mercury, I just see a Moon in 9th house (however in Capricorn), and North Nodes in Gemini. Is a difficult take, but I feel languages for you better could be one of the things one finds along the way and take on board, but not quite the center, you know what I mean, same as astrology for me, I just look at it for personal use but at this point I dont feel I will do a profession of it or whatever, unless some development change things, while languages I came to stay for life, I know. It is good however for you as a tool to develop mind and conversational skills, as suggested by the Nodes. I clearly feel your important planet is Venus. There's overwhelming indication of an issue about which no need to feel squeamish: extreme sensuality. You know however sex is a force can be transmuted, -maybe you could have a look at tantra-. Now the amount of different energies interplaying is amazing. so difficult to fathom; if you allow me to let my imagination flow, this is some way it could go, pardon me if way off wrong: could be you idealize partner a little bit, and unconsciously want an intense merging absorbing relationship, leading to manipulation issues while still uneasy about the whole thing, often leading to arguments and sudden and quite final breakups, so many love affairs, all along needing inordinate sex. I know is complex and contradictory but that is what it looks like. On a positive note maybe in antiquity some of the same symbols will lead to announce possible coming of substantial property or money from family at some point. I dont know, I feel as if you have to make foundation of your life from the practical issues arising naturally from your family circumstances, with the effect of developing your personality and so you learn to depend basically on yourself. In this context, language just a side endeavor. My take. But all in all, I dont understand your chart. Sorry! My fault. Good luck to you and pardon my long delay. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Whiskeyjack Newbie Canada Joined 5731 days ago 36 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish, Spanish, Russian | Message 31 of 38 18 May 2009 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks very much sigiloso
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| Whiskeyjack Newbie Canada Joined 5731 days ago 36 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish, Spanish, Russian | Message 32 of 38 18 May 2009 at 10:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I guess cause your Mercury is in Virgo adding an overtone of thought geared to practical life, with excellent annalitical skills, only with some danger of being bogged down by details, perfectionism and overcriticism, but is supposed to be a good placement.
>>>>>I am learning languages for mostly practicality, ex. Russian because i have worked in Russia before and want to learn it again so i can go back... But in the case of learning Finnish im making it practical by making it a second language so i can take notes in Finnish, so that people can't copy my work... >>>>>Yea i have wasted alot of time with details, especially while learning finnish... Ive been pulling my hair out trying to translate every English word to finnish, when i could actually just use one word in Finnish. Ex. I got, i have..."minulla on" etc I wouldnt pay too much attention to any of this, point is your Mercury seems very functional, be it languages or whatever. I supposed you are the sort of learner who prefer Teach Yourself to Assimil, or equivalents, I mean to say, you need ALL the information , he he; one might or may not like Teach Yourself, but one has to give it to them, they usually explain things properly. Analyzing rules patiently is the sort of awful job others abhore but not you presumably >>>>i agree i preffer teaching myself, i learn on my accord Is to be noted that you almost completely lack planets in air element. I interpret this, based on my own feelings of my strong Mercury-but-no-air situation, as a dislike for small talk, while at the same time when the right person is met, big time interesting or, in your case, practical, conversation, can occur. >>>> yes iam not much for small talk, unless of course what you mentioned occurs Maybe you are buying books often, engaging in study of this and that question, and digesting information. >>>> This is true Is a difficult take, but I feel languages for you better could be one of the things one finds along the way and take on board, but not quite the center, you know what I mean, same as astrology for me, I just look at it for personal use but at this point I dont feel I will do a profession of it or whatever, unless some development change things, while languages I came to stay for life, I know. It is good however for you as a tool to develop mind and conversational skills, as suggested by the Nodes. >>> I agree, my knowledge of french was picked up through the schools and my friends. And my French skill is as good as i need it to be, to understand my friends and get around quebec... >>>>And yes, languages have been a great tool for advancing my mind and conversational skills. Edited by Whiskeyjack on 18 May 2009 at 10:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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