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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 9 of 18 29 June 2014 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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On the other hand many people in Southern Sweden pronounce both -er and -ar the same way, with ɐ [lowered schwa] and a guttural r (as in German ''Bruder''). So, both Smurfarna and Smurferna are pronounced the same ;) The same happens in Bergen in Norway, people write dialekter (Bokmaal standard) or jenter (Bokmaal and Nynorsk standard) but pronounce it as dialektar (Nynorsk standard) and jentar (not acceptable in writing).
It would be funny to pronounce both svenskar and svenskor the same: as [2svenskɐʁ], thats's why they force [uʁ] pronunciation of -or in Southern Sweden. As, for Stockholm Swedish, this linguistic survey found out younger speakers preferred the spelling pronunciation, that is -or [ur]: http://lup.lub.lu.se/luur/download?func=downloadFile&recordO Id=1326390&fileOId=1326391 (This is not surprising, 50 years ago everyone in Stockholm pronounced huset, barnet etc... without the final -t [as in Norwegian], and over the last 50 years the spelling pronunciation [which is also the one used in traditional Southern and Western dialects] (with a fully pronounce final t) has spread like rapid fire. If the spelling pronunciation trend catches on, in 50 years from now, even words like kvalitet and mycket will be pronounced with a clear [t], more often than not, you do hear more and more people pronouncing final consonants in jag, och, and using 3 syllable pronunciation of past forms (kastade and not [kasta]). Edited by Medulin on 29 June 2014 at 10:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4100 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 10 of 18 29 June 2014 at 11:03pm | IP Logged | ||
In my 19+6 years living in Scania I don't think I've ever heard anyone pronouncing -er and -ar the same way... but "southern" Sweden covers a large area, so it's entirely possible. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4522 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 11 of 18 30 June 2014 at 12:24am | IP Logged | ||
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what I remember from my language history lessons:
- in Old Swedish it was /-ur/ - later it became /-or/ - this resulted in the writing <-or> - at some point orthography became standardized - orthography influenced pronunciation (<o> was pronounced [ u] in most cases, so in analogy people started to use [-ur] for <-or>) - [-ur] was made the standard pronunciation Edited by daegga on 30 June 2014 at 12:24am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 18 30 June 2014 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | ||
Except for the pitch accent: Smurfarna - grave accent Smurferna - acute accent 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6660 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 13 of 18 30 June 2014 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | ||
After we got allmän folkskola 1840, where school became mandatory for everyone even the poor children, the pronunciation of words gradually changed due to hypercorrection – and this eventually spread even to the upper classes. I've heard that several y-sounds were ö-sounds before that time (kyrka, byxor) among everybody, and that several consonant clusters were reduced (drottning /dronning/, rodna /ronna/) and that some retroflex consonants had become laterals (gård /gål/) – this latter phenomenon can be seen in the nursery rhyme "Skvallerbytta bing bong, går i alla gårdar, slickar alla skålar. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 14 of 18 30 June 2014 at 4:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Does anyone know useful sources for Swedish phonology? Something that answers questions like, what tone is used for a two syllable past tense?
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| Hampie Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 6660 days ago 625 posts - 1009 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Latin, German, Mandarin | Message 15 of 18 30 June 2014 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | ||
I think the person behind this web page sells a book of some sort with verb paradigms with tone marks on them :D http://olle-kjellin.com/SpeechDoctor/ 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4669 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 16 of 18 30 June 2014 at 8:35pm | IP Logged | ||
Phonology of Swedish by Tomas Riad OUP 2014 1 person has voted this message useful |
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