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| Cristianoo Triglot Senior Member Brazil https://projetopoligRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4206 days ago 175 posts - 289 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, FrenchB2, English Studies: Russian | Message 41 of 49 22 January 2015 at 9:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Just forget it. I just don't care anymore. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6682 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 42 of 49 22 January 2015 at 10:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
One more reason why Russian is quite uniform is that in many cases it's co-existed with other languages, like the many Finno-Ugric ones spoken in Russia or the national languages of other Soviet republics. When this happens with unrelated languages, the difference is more clear-cut, rather than a continuum. (of course sometimes it didn't co-exist but destroyed those languages :( that's something every major language is guilty of) Like... imagine if Spain still had some of its former territories, especially those without major geographical barriers between people. Or idk. Now that I think of it, an important reason is that feudalism developed very differently in Russia and lasted much longer. As a result, ordinary people just wanted to be independent as citizens, whereas the idea of a stronger local government must've seemed too far-fetched and disconnected from reality. And probably in some cases the rich people from other regions got educated in Moscow/St Petersburg and then their way of speaking was regarded as prestigious if they came back. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4724 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 43 of 49 23 January 2015 at 9:32am | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry, I should have said just "north" - the north-east is where I am living as far as I know, and here they speak Alsatian dialects:) I fully take your point about the fact that there is a revival, albeit modest, of local "patois" in many parts of France, and fortunately the French authorities are taking a slightly more positive view of regional languages. There is even hope that France wil ratify the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages soon. However, as I didn't want to write a whole essay on the linguistic situation in France, the point I wanted to get through was how government policy can influence language development and contribute to the disappearance of dialectal differences. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4184 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 44 of 49 23 January 2015 at 10:13am | IP Logged | |||||
According to the national French tourist board you're all the "north-east", Picards and Alsatians alike. ;) But, mostly, I added the "east" because I thought you simply wrote "west" by accident (hence the "as you know") since Picardie and Nord-Pas-de-Calais are just about as far east you can come in the north-north of France. I didn't mean to imply that something was missing from your analysis of France. As I said, I just added some extra nuance for those interested France's minority languages, Romance or otherwise. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ogrim Heptaglot Senior Member France Joined 4724 days ago 991 posts - 1896 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, French, Romansh, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Catalan, Latin, Greek, Romanian | Message 45 of 49 23 January 2015 at 10:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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Maybe the French tourist board says so, but I think most Alsatians would protest vehemently. They certainly didn't like the creation of a new super-region of Alsace, Champagne-Ardenne and Lorraine. As the slogan went: you don't mix choucroute with quiche. But I'm disgressing so I leave it at that;.
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| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4184 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 46 of 49 23 January 2015 at 11:29am | IP Logged | |||||
I think a lot of Alsatians, like Bretons, would protest vehemently against the idea that they're French. La France est une belle pays entre le Bretagne et l'Alsace. But for all official intents and purposes it is what it is for the time being. I think a some Normand-speakers would object to me saying we speak Breton and Gallo in the north-west, but it was a joke, to make light of a correction that was mostly for the benefit of those who might actually not know where Picard is spoken, not a political statement, which is why I didn't write a long list of all regional languages and why there were smileys... (The Alsatians have such wonderful imagination during their protests. Our signs read "44=BZH" and in Alsace they march under creative banners like: "Pourquoi n'y a-t-il pas d'hemorroides en Alsace? Parce que tous les trous du *** sont à Paris"). 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4753 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 47 of 49 25 January 2015 at 9:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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You can find accentless French even in the South, in Nice and Cannes they speak perfect French.
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| Yrek Pentaglot Newbie Poland Joined 3672 days ago 34 posts - 37 votes Speaks: Polish*, Japanese, Korean, English, Mandarin Studies: Vietnamese Studies: Hungarian, Mongolian | Message 48 of 49 04 February 2015 at 7:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Most languages have dialects, even those spoken by a limited number of people: Slovene has over 40 dialects.
I don't know Hebrew maybe? There is difference between Askhenazi and Sephardic, but I don't know if you should call them dialects (Sephardi people are from Middle East, so they are able of producing sound difficult to Jews from Europe). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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