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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 17 of 47 12 February 2015 at 11:57am | IP Logged | |||||
No, but then I don't think school is about that - it's about a common body of knowledge everyone should share. Those who will get further at something are innately interested in it anyway and do it on their own terms. I can't do a lot of the mathematical operations I used to be able to do (like solving complex differential equations with all sorts of extra tricks), but should I have to I can read up on them and figure them out, and I have a very good idea of why they are useful. Oral communication should precede reading because we all learned to speak before we ever learned to read, so it's simply a more basic faculty and the most directly useful one when learning a language. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 18 of 47 12 February 2015 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
Intensive instruction period implies more than that though. Namely that any successful language learner needs to go through a certain time period (I would guess at least 1-3 months) of having several hours of classes more or less daily. When we put it like that, we see that it's a far more controversial claim than it first seemed, at least for HTLAL'ers. Can formal instruction be replaced with self-study? (if s_allard disagrees he's in 1% if even that) Is a period of consistently intensive learning required? Prof Argüelles can learn more in 15 min a day than most of us, and related languages can keep one another alive. And if we focus on the method's requirements then it's not so good if it only works under the ideal conditions. Especially for us HTLAL'ers the best methods are those that can be replicated in self-study, preferably also for someone who has a job. Edited by Serpent on 12 February 2015 at 12:34pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5429 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 19 of 47 12 February 2015 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
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For those who are interested in what the authors actually wrote and the goals of the approach, here is
the abstract. This article considers the contribution of research in neuroscience to resolving the question of how to develop communication skills in a second language in an institutional setting. The purpose of the article is to demonstrate how the findings of cognitive neuroscience can assist educators to understand the complexity of learning and, as a result, to develop more effective instructional practices. The article begins with a brief description of the two options for the learning of French as a second language currently offered in the Canadian school system and the deficiencies inherent in these programs for a country attempting to foster English-French bilingualism in its anglophone citizens. Secondly, the paradigm underlying the core French option, based on cognitive psychology, is examined and its limitations are discussed. The remainder of the article presents the Neurolinguistic Approach (NLA) as developed by the authors, explaining its bases in cognitive neuroscience, the ensuing five major principles of the approach, with the pedagogical consequences that each one entails. Reference is then made to two classroom applications of the NLA: intensive French implemented widely in Canada and another adaptation implanted in China. After comparing the approach briefly with French immersion, limitations of the NLA are presented, and the article concludes with some directions for future research. The positive results of the practical applications of the NLA indicate the important contribution research in cognitive neuroscience can make to improving learning in a classroom situation. The neurolinguistic approach (NLA) is aimed specifically at the second-language classroom and has its application specifically in programs called Intensive French or Intensive English in Canadian classrooms. Intensive instruction in this context consists of a good part of a school year in the 5th or 6th elementary grade devoted to instruction entirely in the target language. I personally feel that all this talk about the neuroscience of language learning is simply scientific veneer on some plain common sense. Here is the basic observation that everybody agrees on: 1. Core French = mediocre results 2. Intensive French = good results 4. Immersion French = very good results 5. French school (with lots of native-language French-speakers) = the best results If you strip away all this sexy neuroscience talk - what I call mumbo jumbo -, the two most important success factors we see are: 1. The medium of instruction and interaction between teacher and students. 2. The amount of interaction between students in the target language. This is why sending one'e children to a school for French-speaking children works the best. Many parents have understood this and don't bother sending their children to immersion programs when they can send their children directly to an all-French school. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6581 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 20 of 47 12 February 2015 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
Natural ≠ good
I can get a hold of a text in a foreign language a lot easier than a speaker. Usefulness is very individual. Personally I find it very difficult to learn proper pronunciation if I don't have a written record of what's being said. Since my ears are not accustomed to the language I'm likely to mishear phonemes, mixing them up and simply not being able to separate what's important to differentiate and what is not. I've never found the "you'll read it like an English 'l' if you see it written with an 'l'" argument to be the least bit convincing. For myself, I find the following progression to be the most logical and effective: 1: Learn pronunciation 2: Read a lot, learning slow, passive recognition 3: Listen a lot, learning fast, auditory recognition 4: Write, learning slow, active production 5: Speak, learning fast production This way, each skill can build on the previous one and deepen your knowledge from slow recognition up to fast production. Recognizing a written word is the easiest skill and producing a spoken word is the most difficult one. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 21 of 47 12 February 2015 at 3:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Natural is not good, but it's the one you use the most often. Or are you not a human
being? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 47 12 February 2015 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
For me 1) is essential and 2) is dubious at best.
I agree. To make a speech sample comprehensible nothing beats knowing what is being said. And trying to learn pronunciation from a steam of incomprehensible babble is a waste of time. Edited by Iversen on 12 February 2015 at 6:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5227 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 23 of 47 12 February 2015 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Not sure what that means, but Ari's right that just because something is usually done a particular way does not mean that way is optimal. Also, I'm not convinced that the best way of learning a first language is necessarily the best way of learning a second language. It's possible, but the two situations are very different, and I wouldn't be surprised if the best strategies likewise differed. Moreover, some people are interested in a language primarily for literary reasons (dead languages, in particular, but not necessarily only dead languages). Would oral first still be the best strategy for such people?
But, ok, say one wants to learn orally first. I'm willing to give this a try, in the interest of science. How would one proceed? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 24 of 47 12 February 2015 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Dead languages are another ball game. I'm talking about languages you are going to
actually use with people. If all you are going to do is sit behind your computer and read books, none of this advice applies to you. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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