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1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan
| Message 9 of 14 13 February 2015 at 11:23pm | IP Logged |
epictetus wrote:
I draw no distinction between different types of mental exertion.
Learning a language,
playing chess, writing an exam, and other such activities require calories. I can
recall
intensive study days during university when I needed an extra meal in the day to stave
off any hunger.
At the moment, it's the same: I need to eat a second breakfast after my first two
hours of one-on-one
lessons with my Spanish teacher. And I'm starving when I get home after another 2-3
hours.
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I doubt that all of those activities burn that much kilojoules with regard to each
other and languagelearning. As a chessplayer that was at one point semi-professional,
the objective is to defeat the opponent as in all sports. It is playing against a
rival using calculations that can easily go past 10 moves often, and each game could
be 4 hours or more. In my last tournament, I played from 12.00 to 23.00 with barely
any break, and I literally felt like passing out when I finally ate dinner at 00.30.
In 2003 I played in a tournament where quite often each day I played from 17.00 to
02.00, and it was quite grueling. I never felt like this with language learning, not
even when I do 8 Assimils in one day.
The World Championship in chess also needed one full rest day after each 2 games,
because they know about how much energy can be lost. I am not sure that many who do
language learning need a full rest day after doing their Assimils, tutoring, or their
language class.
Edited by 1e4e6 on 13 February 2015 at 11:28pm
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| cpnlsn88 Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5036 days ago 63 posts - 112 votes Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Spanish, Esperanto, Latin
| Message 10 of 14 14 February 2015 at 1:31am | IP Logged |
If I spend a whole day speaking a language I start to really tire by the end.
Argues for us to design periods of rest if there is a risk of being exposed to
exhaustion, loss of effectiveness because attention systems are strained and less
effective in other areas as well.
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| tangleweeds Groupie United States Joined 3574 days ago 70 posts - 105 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Irish, French
| Message 11 of 14 14 February 2015 at 9:04pm | IP Logged |
I have the problem of not experiencing hunger and often forget to eat (weird, yes, but my
father was like that too), so I have a hard time figuring out what's going on when low
blood sugar makes me stupid. Also, too large a meal makes me sleepy and stupid too, so for
a long time I was frustrated by the need to eat, as it interfered with my recreational
studying and making stuff.
Recently (and pretty late in the game) I've learned to cultivate the many light
"meals"/nutritious snacks approach, which never came naturally to me. I'm now
linking mini-meals to my already established "get up and wander into the kitchen for a
drink of water" habit, cultivated to prevent deep-vein thrombosis. Once in the kitchen,
appropriate snacks have been planted in easy to run across locations.
I can corroborate that this habit, as well as good hydration, helped my mental function
noticeably. I also agree that when studying things like languages or higher math,
which demand digestion over time for mental restrurcturing, I do become hazardously
absentminded. I'm not so bad as to trip over my own feet, but an unexpected curb or gnarly
tree root will catch me up way too often.
Edited by tangleweeds on 14 February 2015 at 9:19pm
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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6581 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German
| Message 12 of 14 15 February 2015 at 10:41am | IP Logged |
tangleweeds wrote:
for a long time I was frustrated by the need to eat, as it interfered with my recreational studying and making stuff. |
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You should check out Soylent. It's made for people like you (and me) who find that eating can sometimes be a bother and a distraction. I've been replacing one meal a day with the European version Joylent and it works great. Zero prep time, balanced nuitrition and I can drink it while doing something else, like studying.
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Recently (and pretty late in the game) I've learned to cultivate the many light
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I went the other way. I only have a "feeding window" of eight hours per day, going without food or snacks for the other 16 hours. In practice, it means I don't eat breakfast. It works great, my energy is very stable and it's liberating not having to worry about food in the morning.
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4046 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch
| Message 13 of 14 16 February 2015 at 2:29pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
I do drink coffee but far less than most Western people do. But if there
was a significant benefit of drinking tea, the British would be far better at languages
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Well, it makes sense :D
The Dutch are amongst the best language learners and they are the world most coffee
consumers.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 14 of 14 16 February 2015 at 2:47pm | IP Logged |
cpnlsn88 wrote:
If I spend a whole day speaking a language I start to really tire by
the end.
Argues for us to design periods of rest if there is a risk of being exposed to
exhaustion, loss of effectiveness because attention systems are strained and less
effective in other areas as well. |
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I once ran an experiment where I studied 5 different languages during the course of a
working day. I switched between 5 languages, some of them my better ones, some of them
languages I knew poorly. I bookended with my best ones (French and Russian) but did
Korean, Hebrew and Romanian in the meanwhile. Out of these I only spoke Romanian
satisfactorily.
By the end of the day I was thoroughly f**ked up, and I still had to go to guitar
practice that evening. It was noticeable because my Russian teacher noticed my
performance was suffering.
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