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| DaisyMaisy Senior Member United States Joined 5379 days ago 115 posts - 178 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 9 of 13 17 March 2015 at 5:26am | IP Logged |
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Why Latin script, if it's Asian based? (well Vietnamese is written in Latin script, just remembered that)...but, obviously a lot of different writing systems so I can see why you would think Latin based as neutral ground or just convenient. But just to add an another element, what other scripts could be used? Or could one be invented that would work well with this conlang?
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| robarb Nonaglot Senior Member United States languagenpluson Joined 5058 days ago 361 posts - 921 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, French Studies: Mandarin, Danish, Russian, Norwegian, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Greek, Latin, Nepali, Modern Hebrew | Message 10 of 13 17 March 2015 at 6:54am | IP Logged |
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Latin script is used to write Vietnamese, Indonesian, and Malay. The only script that's more widely written in East
Asia is Chinese characters, but that would be difficult to use for many reasons. Hangul is quite an elegant script, but overall more people would understand Latin. Now it would be a really interesting task to create a conlang/auxlang that is written in Chinese characters. Would it be possible to achieve the auxlang goals, or would you be forced to choose between making something with few advantages over existing Chinese languages, or something that uses Chinese characters in an awkward and confusing manner, like Japanese does? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6908 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 13 17 March 2015 at 8:22pm | IP Logged |
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Is there a name for this East Asian auxlang? Sinoranto? (Or, Sinōrānutō to give it a Japanese C-V touch...) Edited by jeff_lindqvist on 17 March 2015 at 8:25pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| robarb Nonaglot Senior Member United States languagenpluson Joined 5058 days ago 361 posts - 921 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, French Studies: Mandarin, Danish, Russian, Norwegian, Cantonese, Japanese, Korean, Polish, Greek, Latin, Nepali, Modern Hebrew | Message 12 of 13 18 March 2015 at 7:26am | IP Logged |
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How about "Awa?"
(etymology: 亚 ＋ 话), "Asia speech." Still struggling with how to add anything substantial from outside Chinese while retaining a viable system. Somehow, Esperanto manages to be a pretty even mix while still feeling like a generic European language. Maybe it's because the sources are all vaguely similar by way of being Indo-European, because I feel like adding any piece of Japanese or Korean sentence structure breaks the whole thing. How do you flavor Chinese with SOV- agglutinativeness? Edited by robarb on 18 March 2015 at 7:32am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 13 of 13 20 March 2015 at 6:49pm | IP Logged |
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It's really odd you made this topic just recently, i've been thinking about this very thing the past couple weeks as i talk with the Chinese Esperantists here, though my thoughts weren't based so much around a new language as a modification of Esperanto more adapted to East Asian languages.
I don't really have experience with languages other than Mandarin, but grammatically i think Mandarin isn't too complicated. The main issue i saw was creating vocabulary, especially after removing tones and characters from the mix. Mandarin has some interesting ways to form words but they aren't always really structured. The use of 电 with electric things or 机/器 for machines/appliances is interesting and could be useful. Other things like 套 in 手套 also have lots of potential uses. But it'd have to be more standardized. Some other things that crossed my mind were perhaps removing the tense system and replacing it with some sort of (optional/for clarification) particle system or having it based exclusively on context. Another thing i thought of was something similar to Mandarin's 的 for phrases like "the went-to-the-store 的 person" or "the I-saw-yesterday 的 man", which Korean (and perhaps Japanese?) also seems to share. I'd also get rid of measure words that don't provide any extra detail about the object (一张纸 doesn't really say anything about the paper, but 一杯果汁 does). I'd also remove the definite article and probably plurals as well and leave that to certain marking words similar to 些. I'd also do away with politeness levels. I think it's a really interesting idea and i'd love to see where this could go. EDIT: I'm also mixed on marking the direct object or not. I think you could get by without it, but i'm not sure what consequences that'd have elsewhere, perhaps a less flexible word order? Also, i believe many (most?) speakers of East Asian languages will also be familiar with the Latin alphabet. Chinese students, for example, learn pinyin first and young students will often write in a mix of pinyin/whatever characters they know. That might not be the case for Japanese/Korean/Thai/other languages that have different alphabets, though. Edited by Crush on 20 March 2015 at 7:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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