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| cpnlsn88 Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5039 days ago 63 posts - 112 votes  Speaks: English*, German, French Studies: Spanish, Esperanto, Latin | Message 9 of 12 24 March 2015 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't think that it is correct to say that evidence to the contrary of Krashen's
hypothesis is refuted by reference to affective filters. The affective filter is part of Krashen's model in that for him the affective filter has to be as low as it can be for language learning to take place. His contention is that what used to be traditional methods tended to raise an affective filter and therefore is a potential explanation for why comprehensible input works better than, say, grammar instruction, rather than a refutation of evidence competitor methods work. Unless there are studies that show the opposite can be adduced I think Krashen has the upper hand when it comes to the evidence and therefore comprehensible input, making language learning enjoyable and lowering the affective filter (hence a silent period) are a superior approach to language learning. This, of course, isn't totally the end of the argument. Some different factors apply with polyglotts, for example, where grammatical models (and therefore labels like tenses etc) are acquired from the first 'x' number or languages and can usefully be applied to the new language. I think that there are other areas where a degree of refinement of Krashen's basic insights and empirical evidence is warranted. While I don't think that a native accent is attainable for most people I do think work on accent via feedback from a native speaker used to giving this feedback can help; speaking and writing are important in both establishing useful gaps in knowledge and minimising interference from other languages; I don't do grammar all the time but work my way through a grammar book from time to time (I tend not to drill myself but there are some useful things I pick up) and I do use anki and SRS which isn't in the Krashen approach but I think can help. So I think that Krashen is basically right but that there are some areas of caveat that would need to be entered. In spite of truly colossal input in German I was helped, with minimal outlay in time, by anki in terms of strong verbs. Exposure and input gave me 95% but a bit of work with a different method has helped. And seasoned language learners may get more from things like grammar and vocab than people starting out in their first foreign language. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7207 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 10 of 12 25 March 2015 at 2:13am | IP Logged | ||
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Maybe if I said, "Krashen is God", he would have got more votes.
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| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5567 days ago 938 posts - 1840 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 11 of 12 25 March 2015 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Is Anki, etc. a no-no in Krashen's thought? How does his position compare to ISP
Nation's research on second language vocabulary acquisition that specifically recommends multiple inputs, including flashcards, extensive and intensive reading for acquiring and fixing vocabulary? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5432 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 12 of 12 25 March 2015 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | ||
I don't think any of these things are incompatible with Krashen's position, after all aren't these tools sources of comprehensible input. But again, I would stress that Krashen was addressing the problem of teaching in the classroom and not the situation of the adult independent learner. I think that there is this misconception that comprehensible input means that you listen to huge quantity of material you somehow understand and then. miraculously, you will start speaking fluently. This is definitely not true, and I don't think that this is what Krashen is saying. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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