BGreco Senior Member Joined 6394 days ago 211 posts - 222 votes 3 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Spanish
| Message 129 of 185 14 November 2008 at 2:54pm | IP Logged |
Kugel wrote:
I'm not very big on replicating foreign sounds 100 percent either, but trilling Rs is paramount for Spanish and Italian. Not paying close attention to trilled Rs would be like not paying close attention to tones in tonal languages. Or is this comparison too extreme?
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Not even comparable. Changing the R sound will make you sound weird, but it won't hinder communication.
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TheBiscuit Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 5924 days ago 532 posts - 619 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Italian Studies: German, Croatian
| Message 130 of 185 15 November 2008 at 1:34pm | IP Logged |
BGreco wrote:
Changing the R sound will make you sound weird, but it won't hinder communication. |
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Exactly, the trilled r even varies among native speakers. Kids can't do it until they're 4 or 5, and they're perfectly understandable. I also seem to be able to do it a better after chewing gum.
I've noticed that some Mexicans come back from a long stint in the US and have lost the rolled r sound, often replacing it with a more American sounding one. Whether this is a purely pretentious phenomenon, I don't know.
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COF Senior Member United States Joined 5832 days ago 262 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English*
| Message 131 of 185 21 December 2008 at 7:20pm | IP Logged |
Upon completing the Foundation Course (the 8 hour course) what level could one expect to be at? The website claims to take you to a good GCSE level, is that a realistic expectation? It also claims upon completion of the Advanced Course, it takes you up to a good A Level standard.
To what level would you say it takes you to?
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TheBiscuit Tetraglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 5924 days ago 532 posts - 619 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Italian Studies: German, Croatian
| Message 132 of 185 21 December 2008 at 7:27pm | IP Logged |
COF wrote:
Upon completing the Foundation Course (the 8 hour course) what level could one expect to be at? The website claims to take you to a good GCSE level, is that a realistic expectation? It also claims upon completion of the Advanced Course, it takes you up to a good A Level standard.
To what level would you say it takes you to?
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I think the basic course and maybe the language builder would get you through a GCSE quite easily.
I doubt the claim about the advanced course taking you to A Level standard as you'd still lack an enormous amount of vocabulary and the ability to write at a high level. The speaking would also be a problem as you have to be able to hold your own in a debate (at least that's how it was when I did it, quite a few years ago now).
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 133 of 185 22 December 2008 at 7:23am | IP Logged |
COF wrote:
Upon completing the Foundation Course (the 8 hour course) what level could one expect to be at? The website claims to take you to a good GCSE level, is that a realistic expectation? It also claims upon completion of the Advanced Course, it takes you up to a good A Level standard.
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They cover the grammar to the levels described, but if you look at the syllabus for any of the exams you'll see that there's a lot of required vocabulary that the courses don't cover. This is done on purpose -- trying to remember umpteen words just seems to get in the way of learning structure, and it seems dead easy to learn new words once you've got the structure to do stuff with it.
Essentially MT alone won't get you through any exams, but in my opinion it's the single biggest step you can take to getting you there.
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Master Thomas Newbie United States Joined 5995 days ago 30 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian
| Message 134 of 185 22 December 2008 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
Question, on the Michel Thomas Vocabulary programs it says it teaches you a thousand words but that seems a little impossible. I'm assuming that means they show you how to change the word endings so you unlock all of the words that are close to English?
If so then it'll give me 2-5 thousand words in French, German, Italian, and Spanish.
I finished the Italian one and I loved it, his teaching style is very unique.
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Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6012 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh
| Message 135 of 185 23 December 2008 at 8:48am | IP Logged |
Master Thomas wrote:
Question, on the Michel Thomas Vocabulary programs it says it teaches you a thousand words but that seems a little impossible. I'm assuming that means they show you how to change the word endings so you unlock all of the words that are close to English? |
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Yup, that's exactly what they do. Now I sound like an effing professor when I speak Spanish. All posh words, eh wot? :-(
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Master Thomas Newbie United States Joined 5995 days ago 30 posts - 30 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian
| Message 136 of 185 23 December 2008 at 10:26am | IP Logged |
I figured that was the case, but oh well, no unpleasant surprise to hear that. ;)
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