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| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes  Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 1 of 17 03 January 2010 at 4:16pm | IP Logged |
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What are people's theories regarding this?
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| Yukamina Senior Member Canada Joined 6264 days ago 281 posts - 332 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Korean, French | Message 2 of 17 03 January 2010 at 5:43pm | IP Logged |
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What is your theory regarding this?
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| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5469 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 3 of 17 03 January 2010 at 8:06pm | IP Logged |
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I don't know enough on the theory and languages in question to form an opinion.
What I do know is that select base vocabulary from Japonic, Koreanic, Tungustic, Mongolic and Turkic bear close similarities but that academics disagree on the nature of that, and whether it's due to a common ancestral language or due to mutual influence. I've looked for academic resources on the subject but they tend to be 100+ pages dissertations in linguistic jargon. I was hoping someone who knew something about it could present it in a clear fashion. I would be interested in hearing more about the different views. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6768 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 4 of 17 04 January 2010 at 10:55am | IP Logged |
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It's grasping at straws. Japanese, Korean, Turkish, etc. become less similar if anything, the farther back in time
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7156 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 5 of 17 04 January 2010 at 5:20pm | IP Logged |
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It's plausible, but I believe that we need more research into the field. The current situation in Altaic scholarship is rather messy as it's quite polarized, and dominated by strong personalities who sometimes let their emotions or personal judgements colour the defense of their intellectual positions.
Altaicists treat the family as fact despite some questions about the reconstructions in Starostin et al.'s Altaic etymological dictionary - the current "bible" of Altaic etymology. Anti-Altaicists treat the family as spurious and from the outset discourage/disparage those who conduct more research into fleshing out the details of such a family (if it could be "proven" to exist). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Levi Pentaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5567 days ago 2268 posts - 3328 votes Speaks: English*, French, Esperanto, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Dutch, Portuguese, Mandarin, Japanese, Italian | Message 6 of 17 06 January 2010 at 8:41pm | IP Logged |
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I think it's likely but not conclusively proven that the Turkic and Mongolic languages are related. Whether Korean and/or Japanese belong in that group is more doubtful, though I wouldn't say impossible. Those languages had to come from somewhere.
I agree with Chung that more research needs to be done. Right now we don't have enough evidence to draw any solid conclusions. Edited by Levi on 06 January 2010 at 8:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Veedo Newbie United States Joined 5421 days ago 12 posts - 14 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese | Message 7 of 17 21 January 2010 at 11:21pm | IP Logged |
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I was just thinking about this and decided to join after lurking for like 5 months :P
On wikipedia there are examples of vocabulary similarities between Japanese and Korean/Turkish. Maybe some of these similarities exist simply because there are a large number of similar sounding words in Japanese. Hence some of those words are similar simply by coincidence. Many of those words look like they're compared very liberally, ie kasa (japanese/old japanese) and gat (korean/mid korean) which means hat in English (hat-gat anyone?). The larger they stretch the similarities between these words the more likely it's going to be that the Japanese words simply sound that way by coincidence. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Vicitra Newbie Denmark Joined 5419 days ago 2 posts - 3 votes | Message 8 of 17 24 January 2010 at 11:58am | IP Logged |
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Japan and Turkey are related. An example of this is that the sweet "turkish delight" is a version of the Japanese "Yokan". I should think that yokan is the original... There must have been a migration of people from Japan to Turkey at some point. I'll look into this.
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