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Spelling reform and the language learner

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OlafP
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 Message 9 of 11
14 January 2010 at 6:52pm | IP Logged 
Iversen wrote:
I don't want to give up writing the delicious ß


You don't have to. The ß is replaced by ss only after short vowels. This was an awful mess before and now it is much easier for language learners and logical, because there are no exceptions to this rule. The same applies to triple consonants. I hear people complaining all the time that the "new" triple consonants look horrible, but they were there before the reform as well. The weird thing in the past was that Schiff-fahrt was written as Schiffahrt, but Sauerstoff-flasche was written Sauerstoffflasche. The rule was that triple consonants were written if and only if they were followed by another consonant. This nonsense was removed, along with some weird punctuation rules that hardly anyone knew anyway. The reform doesn't resolve all inconsistencies and it even introduces new ones, but that's just how it is with something as complex as a languages. From the perspective of a language learner it is easier now than it was before.

Edited by OlafP on 14 January 2010 at 6:55pm

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Gusutafu
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 Message 10 of 11
14 January 2010 at 8:52pm | IP Logged 
cordelia0507 wrote:

I think they could do without the hard sign and perhaps even the soft sign and definitely add accents to the words. Other than that it's miles ahead of English for example. It's pretty easy to figure out how to write a word after you heard it.


Both soft and hard signs are necessary unless you want to be guessing at pronounciation. What do you have against them? In a sense soft signs should be a modernist's dream, they indicate more or less the presence of a single articulatory feature, like if we were to write K and G like K and K*, the * indicating voicing.
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Dripdrip
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 Message 11 of 11
14 January 2010 at 9:13pm | IP Logged 
I, too, struggle with the reforms. I learnt German more than 30 years ago and 'dass' is just wrong as far as I'm concerned. I fell in love with ß as a teenager and, when I saw it italicised recently I understood why - ß looks like the old English fs, which I can't render properly with a keyboard.

I also capitalise Du and Dein, but so do all my German colleagues, even the young ones. Most of them don't have much time for the reforms, either.


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