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| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5787 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 41 of 51 06 December 2010 at 10:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
Oh, I know!!!!! I'm just checking out the booklet for his Spanish Course, and for someone who criticised Thomas' "unnatural sentences" he's not afraid to use them himself- nor should he be, there was a REASON Thomas used them; but coming from someone who criticised that point... For instance "he preparado el café para Vd" Correct Spanish? Yes. Natural, no! Without some supporting context it sounds forced, the neutral sentence is "le he preparado el café" Of course Thomas did this too, but that's fine because it's not actually incorrect and you were never meant to remember his sentences; but tell me, if you are not meant to remember Nobel's sentences then why does he include "situational vocabulary"? Edited by Random review on 06 December 2010 at 11:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5787 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 42 of 51 06 December 2010 at 11:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The more I think of it the more ridiculous the whole thing seems! It's neither fish nor fowl. Fancy teaching invitar? Fine if you do it to illustrate how you can find cognates, and also if you use the verb as a vehicle to illustrate grammar (all of which Thomas did), but a bit silly if you want to teach situational vocabulary, as Nobel does. I'm only on P.22 of 80, but I'll wager that he doesn't warn his students to be a little cautious when using invitar with meals etc unless they plan on paying for the person they're inviting, how could he in just 10 hours?
I'm pleased to see he seems to be teaching the vosotro(a)s form of the verb, bet he doesn't teach "vos" though (which between Argentina and Central America must have about as many users). Update: possible serious error! I rarely use the vosotros form myself, but I watch a lot of Spanish telly, and I could have sworn that the present indicative vosotros form of tener was tenéis, can someone confirm? His booklet lists "vosotros tenís", is that a typo, or is it on the recording too. Edited by Random review on 06 December 2010 at 11:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5787 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 43 of 51 06 December 2010 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | |||||
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"Quisiera reservar una mesa para la cena pero quisiera
saber si es romántico." I stand corrected, it's realistic sentences all the way with this guy. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6015 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 44 of 51 07 December 2010 at 1:29am | IP Logged | |||||
Well if we're talking legal vs right, what about the other people making low-quality knock-offs of MT and selling them as the real thing? I'm mostly thinking Hodder and Stoughton here.... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6015 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 45 of 51 07 December 2010 at 1:32am | IP Logged | |||||
Yup, he's completely missed the point of cognates by jumping in with coffee and dinner from the word go -- just like everyone else who has done a Thomas clone course, pro or amateur, authorised or unofficial. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5787 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 46 of 51 07 December 2010 at 1:47am | IP Logged | |||||
Most of them were pretty crap (I haven't tried Japanese, Greek, or Polish), but I think they were done in good faith by people who *thought* they knew what they were doing, and as I have said before IMO the authors of the Dutch course *did* actually do a very good job, and the Mandarin and Portuguese courses were OKish, if not nearly up to the standard of the original 4. What Nobel is doing, on the other hand, is quite deliberate. I guess it probably must be legal if Collins are involved, which only goes to show that Thomas wasn't as paranoid as I used to think. :-(
well, to be fair to me, whatever mistakes I made in my German Case System patch that wasn't one of them. Edited by Random review on 07 December 2010 at 1:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 6015 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 47 of 51 07 December 2010 at 11:44am | IP Logged | |||||
Ooops... I'd forgotten about that and I'd never looked at it so wouldn't be able to criticise anyway. No offense meant.... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Random review Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5787 days ago 781 posts - 1310 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin, Yiddish, German | Message 48 of 51 07 December 2010 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Far from taking offence (why should I expect you to have seen it) I was having a look around your blog at the time. I think I just mentioned it for the record, and maybe to goad you into looking at it, because (as you will see if you DO read that thread) I had been actually hoping for some comments from you (I don't always agree with your criticisms, but they are always interesting and well thought out). Edited by Random review on 08 December 2010 at 9:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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