Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5757 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 9 of 18 28 January 2011 at 5:30pm | IP Logged |
I personally found what Ari cited as first option to hold some truth for me. After extensively listening to/watching TV in a language I now naught of for a couple of days, my brain seems to start reshuffling its idea of what I should have as phonetic inventory. (That means I start mis-hearing phrases in languages I know and make mistakes while speaking in a way that makes only sense when I seem to have applied some of the new phonological rules.)
It probably works better when I already know a minimum of high frequency words or can recognize internationalisms. It also should be mentioned that I have some kind of attention deficit related filter problem that makes me find it harder than most to ignore what I'm hearing or seeing.
Also, I find myself going through the same stage with blind shadowing, after about the same amount of sleep cycles (about five days), having spent less time and more effort on the task -
Edited by Bao on 30 January 2011 at 9:43am
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thecrazyfarang Diglot Newbie France thefarangsdiary.blog Joined 5042 days ago 18 posts - 25 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Thai
| Message 10 of 18 28 January 2011 at 8:44pm | IP Logged |
@ TerryW :
I've never spoken in Thai before with my girlfriend : she went to university in England and speaks English much better than me! No need to speak Thai until now....
I can remember a few words learned while watching TV or listening to radio (especially Radio Nation): คุณอยู่ที่ไหน (where do you live?) ไปไหน (where do you go?) เข่า/หัว/ข้อศอก (knee/head/elbow, learned while watching muay thai on TV3!!) ......
But the most important to me is that, because I did this, I can now easily make the difference between ใหม่ and ไม่ (new/no, the same sound with a different tone).
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GauchoBoaCepa Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5410 days ago 172 posts - 199 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish
| Message 11 of 18 29 January 2011 at 1:00am | IP Logged |
Go for this one:
www.delicast.com
Radios and TV channels from all around the world.
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kmart Senior Member Australia Joined 6115 days ago 194 posts - 400 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian
| Message 12 of 18 29 January 2011 at 8:09am | IP Logged |
vikavictoria wrote:
Because I found something interesting, in that it helps to listen to your desired language for a while BEFORE you STUDY it formally. For example, I have done this with my languages and it seems to really help, since I am familiar with the common words and the SOUNDS and feel of the language. |
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No thank you, not for me. Can't imagine anything more boring than listening to incomprehensible chatter. Singing is different, I can enjoy the music, rythmn, etc, but I don't like background noise as noise.
I can't even listen to my studied language at full-strength radio speed. I know it's supposed to significantly improve my comprehension, but it's completely irritating. I do enjoy movies, with English subtitles, and I can register my improvement in understanding by the fact that I pick up more and more often, where the subtitles don't accurately match the dialogue. I need to switch to target language subtitles now, but unfortunately most of the DVD's I've purchased only have English language subtitles - apparently no-one considered that the native language deaf might get some use out of them !
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vikavictoria Pentaglot Groupie United States Joined 5040 days ago 49 posts - 74 votes Speaks: Persian, English*, German, Spanish, Tajik Studies: Russian
| Message 13 of 18 29 January 2011 at 4:53pm | IP Logged |
Ummmm Hi Everyone..hehe, I kind of forgot to mention that the radio I listened to was NOT talk radio, rather music radio.
loveradio.ru :)
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kmart Senior Member Australia Joined 6115 days ago 194 posts - 400 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian
| Message 14 of 18 30 January 2011 at 7:39am | IP Logged |
vikavictoria wrote:
Ummmm Hi Everyone..hehe, I kind of forgot to mention that the radio I listened to was NOT talk radio, rather music radio. |
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OK, I agree that's far more pleasant, but why delay studying the language until you've chalked up a few months with the radio? Do you think that after say six months of radio listening and six months of study, you'd be further advanced after 12 months than if you spent the full 12 months studying and did some radio listening when you could fit it in?
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thecrazyfarang Diglot Newbie France thefarangsdiary.blog Joined 5042 days ago 18 posts - 25 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Thai
| Message 15 of 18 30 January 2011 at 1:25pm | IP Logged |
kmart wrote:
vikavictoria wrote:
Ummmm Hi Everyone..hehe, I kind of forgot to mention that the radio I listened to was NOT talk radio, rather music radio. |
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OK, I agree that's far more pleasant, but why delay studying the language until you've chalked up a few months with the radio? Do you think that after say six months of radio listening and six months of study, you'd be further advanced after 12 months than if you spent the full 12 months studying and did some radio listening when you could fit it in? |
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In my opinion, it depends of your goals.
If you only want to read books/newspapers, then you should mainly study conventionally.
But if you prefer to speak, you should mainly listen to radio (or songs, TV, ...) to train your ears to the sounds of your target language and, later, to train your mouth to produce those sounds.
Our goals influence the way we learn...
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tractor Tetraglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5444 days ago 1349 posts - 2292 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English, Spanish, Catalan Studies: French, German, Latin
| Message 16 of 18 30 January 2011 at 6:59pm | IP Logged |
Still, even if you prefer to speak, you'll learn a lot faster if you actually study the language from day one rather than
just listen for the first few months.
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