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Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5061 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 33 of 40 21 April 2014 at 8:28pm | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
The main difference I see is that in Russian there's no "safe ground", no "easy stuff" to cling to. You WILL make tons of errors, so just keep calm and continue. |
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And what language has this "safe ground"?
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 34 of 40 21 April 2014 at 10:59pm | IP Logged |
English, at least for Europeans. You can easily learn the basic sentence structure and avoid the advanced stuff. If your native language has articles, you'll make very few mistakes as soon as you've learned to add -s for 3rd person sg and for plural nouns.
Compare that to German which conjugates verbs and uses cases, and which has much less "safe ground".
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| Марк Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5061 days ago 2096 posts - 2972 votes Speaks: Russian*
| Message 35 of 40 22 April 2014 at 6:22am | IP Logged |
Serpent wrote:
English, at least for Europeans. You can easily learn the basic sentence structure and avoid the advanced stuff. If your native language has articles, you'll make very few mistakes as soon as you've learned to add -s for 3rd person sg and for plural nouns.
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j'aime le chocolad. I like chocolate. You have to think about the progressive aspect from the beginning.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4712 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 36 of 40 27 April 2014 at 4:02pm | IP Logged |
Chocolat*
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| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 4037 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese
| Message 37 of 40 04 May 2014 at 8:23pm | IP Logged |
Марк wrote:
Serpent wrote:
English, at least for Europeans. You can easily learn the basic sentence
structure and avoid the advanced stuff. If your native language has articles, you'll make very few mistakes as soon
as you've learned to add -s for 3rd person sg and for plural nouns.
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j'aime le chocolad. I like chocolate. You have to think about the progressive aspect from the beginning. |
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But one doesn't have to choose from 30 different suffixes for the progressive.
Imagine a language with no adverb for "not", no negative verb auxiliaries, and no negative inflection.
One had to memorize the negative derived form of any word to negate.
"un-,dis-,mis-,de-,anti,-less,non-,no-,in-, etc. (but there are at least 50)" that is how modern IE does it with
verbs, nouns, adjectives, and many more.
Edited by Stolan on 04 May 2014 at 8:27pm
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 38 of 40 04 May 2014 at 8:35pm | IP Logged |
Nobody is forcing you to learn these languages, as far as I understand. And if you actually need/want to learn them you'd better change your attitude.
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| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 4037 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese
| Message 39 of 40 05 May 2014 at 12:14am | IP Logged |
Edit: IF you don't agree provide evidence that what I said is wrong.
I compared Ingush (the hardest Caucasian mountain languages according to Johanna Nichols, a linguist who
specializes in that region), Russian, and Salishan native American languages (some of the most complex of all).
Russian is far far more irregular and bone crushingly painful than either of those two.
Edited by Stolan on 09 May 2014 at 6:52pm
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6602 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 40 of 40 05 May 2014 at 12:43am | IP Logged |
I didn't agree, I just said that I'm tired of your whining about languages you don't even seem to be learning.
But thanks for removing the words "vomit-inducing" from your post.
Edited by Serpent on 05 May 2014 at 12:44am
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