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| alang Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 7222 days ago 563 posts - 757 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 9 of 14 29 May 2014 at 1:25am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Please stay on topic and avoid arguments, as deviated posts can be taken out of context. I will personally learn French, as I found a French based program to learn Tahitian. Short course, as it is only 25 lessons. It makes, sense due to English based programs are less likely. If Dunwoody Press could release a reader with audio, it would help. I am looking forward to the suggestions from the instructor of Teango. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| morinkhuur Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 4678 days ago 79 posts - 157 votes Speaks: German*, Latin, English Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi) | Message 10 of 14 29 May 2014 at 1:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
No, I'm not saying that. If you were a Tahitian, you'd have every right to do that, if you wanted to. It would be a regrettable choice though. But that's not what's happening anyways. People don't just stop speaking their language because they want to, they decide not to speak it to their children because they think it would be useless to them, which results in the next generation not learning the language. I don't think "morally wrong" is the right category to use here. "Sad for all of humanity" would be more accurate. My point is that this is not a small matter, and not a question of switching to the language that you "dig" or that's "more charming", but rather a very concerning development brought about by globalization and political or economic reasons, that we should be aware of. I'm not sure whether we can actually stop this process at this point and it's not about forcing people to stay the way they are either, but we ought to realize what we are losing and think about ways to minimize the damage. Edited by morinkhuur on 29 May 2014 at 1:52am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5229 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 11 of 14 29 May 2014 at 3:56pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Don't change the topic. No one denied that Tahitians have the right to do that. Of course they do. The issue is whether or not they "should." Saying one "should" or "should not" is saying it's right or wrong to do something--making a moral judgment. You said one shouldn't abandon their language. Since you don't seem willing to defend that statement, I can only presume you didn't or don't mean it. "But that's not what's happening anyways. People don't just stop speaking their language because they want to, they decide not to speak it to their children because they think it would be useless to them, which results in the next generation not learning the language." I'm a Tahitian, I decide I don't want my children to learn the Tahitian language, French is more useful to them in my view, so I just teach them French. Again, you're saying I shouldn't do this? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 12 of 14 29 May 2014 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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HTLAL is not a good place for dictionary-fighting. "should" can mean different things even for native speakers, and even more so for non-natives, no matter how advanced.
Feel free to pick any wording you like, for example "it's better if they don't do this". Anyway, the real problem is the things that lead to this perception, as well as the fact that it's not an informed choice. Growing up bilingual has tons of benefits, and most supposed disadvantages are overrated. It's similar to first generation Americans teaching their children only English. How many of them do it out of love for the language? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| morinkhuur Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 4678 days ago 79 posts - 157 votes Speaks: German*, Latin, English Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi) | Message 13 of 14 29 May 2014 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I didn't.
It could also mean that doing a certain thing would be more beneficial than the other and that is what I meant. I don't understand why you're so hung up on it being a moral judgment or not. That's beside the point.
I did mean that and I stand by it. Now what are you trying to tell me?
Yes. What is your point? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Teango Triglot Winner TAC 2010 & 2012 Senior Member United States teango.wordpress.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5557 days ago 2210 posts - 3734 votes Speaks: English*, German, Russian Studies: Hawaiian, French, Toki Pona | Message 14 of 14 29 May 2014 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||
Come on people...less paio and more aloha!
Me too...it's fascinating just how close these Polynesian languages are to each other in terms of lexical similarity. 
Edited by Teango on 29 May 2014 at 11:35pm 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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