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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6709 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 9 of 13 20 December 2014 at 5:32pm | IP Logged |
The plan sketched out in the TED talk seems to me to be rather naive. It reminds me of the attempts to create a truly logical language - nothing worthwhile ever came out of those experiments, in spite of the time spent on such projects by intellectual giants like Leibniz. From an other angle it sounds like the belief that you can do the work of field linguists by letting amateurs use a computer program based on Google translate crossbred with a graphics program. But let them try...
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| Via Diva Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation last.fm/user/viadivaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4240 days ago 1109 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German, Italian, French, Swedish, Esperanto, Czech, Greek
| Message 10 of 13 20 December 2014 at 5:44pm | IP Logged |
Iversen, of course it's naive, but I do not trust it blindly (especially without having tried anything). Like
I've said, I hardly believe it can guide a learner too far, but perhaps it can help learn the basics - one of the
hardest steps to make in any language - from a different POV.
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| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5326 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 11 of 13 20 December 2014 at 7:47pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
The plan sketched out in the TED talk seems to me to be rather naive. It reminds me of the attempts to create a truly logical language - nothing worthwhile ever came out of those experiments, in spite of the time spent on such projects by intellectual giants like Leibniz. From an other angle it sounds like the belief that you can do the work of field linguists by letting amateurs use a computer program based on Google translate crossbred with a graphics program. But let them try... |
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I'm also rather skeptical. However, a similar concept, Blissymbols, was successfully used to help children with cerebral palsy communicate.
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4539 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German
| Message 12 of 13 20 December 2014 at 8:00pm | IP Logged |
Doitsujin wrote:
I'm also rather skeptical. However, a similar concept, Blissymbols, was successfully used to help children with cerebral palsy communicate. |
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But communicating and learning a language are two different things. I have no doubt that this might help some autistic kids communicate better - at least with a simplified grammar - but I just don't get how this could help me learn my L2 (though you are probably not suggesting that anyway).
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6709 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 13 of 13 21 December 2014 at 3:15pm | IP Logged |
I actually do believe that it might help autistic kids to communicate better. It leaves out the human interaction which for some of those kids is more of a problem than a help, and you cancel out many of the intricacies and vagaries of natural languages when you let a machine take over the communication. But precisely that - plus the inherent limitations of pictures and symbols - is why I'm sceptical about the plan when it comes to learning real natural languages as spoken by us unpredictable humans.
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