|
 |
Does translation help speak a language ? | ||
Tags: Speaking | Translation | ||
Share with:
| ||
 Language Learning Forum : General discussion |  | |
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6553 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 9 of 20 25 December 2014 at 12:14am | IP Logged | ||
|
Regardless of what some posters on this forum would have you believe, you'll never become a C1/C2 speaker
without hundreds hours of conversation. I find it hard to believe that you can't talk to people on Skype, but if that's truly the case, doing some of the lame talking-to-yourself exercises will probably be your best bet, until you can actually talk to people. Edited by leosmith on 25 December 2014 at 12:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6600 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 20 25 December 2014 at 12:17am | IP Logged | ||
|
Also, have you tried the "Deutsch? Warum nicht!" course? It will be fairly easy, but there are a lot of funny sentences, the audio has a very high quality and it should be enjoyable to shadow.
BTW, do you do shadowing outdoors (or while pacing in your room)? And how do you feel about this more-or-less requirement? @leosmith I've not had "hundreds of hours" of conversations in Finnish. I just learned to write and think, and with shadowing I transferred that to speaking. With more listening this would've been even easier. Although I'm not saying that the OP shouldn't practice speaking. At this level, definitely speak as much as you can without making your life&language learning miserable. Edited by Serpent on 25 December 2014 at 12:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4668 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 11 of 20 25 December 2014 at 12:28am | IP Logged | ||
|
Translation from L1 to L2 can be very helpful. If you choose reasonably difficult material and have a native speaker around to let you know where you are messing up (and not just grammar errors but also where you sound weird or unnatural), it will show you quickly and effectively where the holes are in your ability to express yourself and also let you know in which cases you can follow the "instincts" given to you by your native language and where those instincts have to be "corrected" or reshaped when you are speaking the TL. I would advise doing an "interpretation" session rather than written translation, though, as you are focusing on speaking.
I don't believe it should make up the majority of your active practice but it certainly can be a good exercise. Edited by tastyonions on 25 December 2014 at 12:30am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4391 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 12 of 20 25 December 2014 at 11:16am | IP Logged | ||
Where have I stated that I am aiming at C1/C2 just through these methods ? I am aware , I have also written it , that the best solution would be to talk an awful lot , but it is simply not possible at the moment . thxerefore I was simply trying to find somthing to partially make up for it . I also think that the psychological factor plays a role in that . When I spoke German face to face , I am under the impression that it was more natural and that I did better , I definitely can say I felt less inhebited . Edited by albysky on 26 December 2014 at 2:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4391 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 13 of 20 25 December 2014 at 11:31am | IP Logged | ||
I would benefit from getting my writing corrected in Italian as well . I almost never write in English and when I write here I never use a dictionary and I never take ages to think about what I am writing .I am simply trying to get across my massage as quickly and as correct as possible . I assume the "the quickly "don't always get on well with the "the correct ":-) . I have to admit that I am lazy too , I hate , for instance , capitalizing the nationalities as well as the languages :-) . I don't doubt I would benefit from getting corrected in English as well . Edited by albysky on 25 December 2014 at 11:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4710 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 14 of 20 25 December 2014 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||
|
Quickly gets on well with correctly if you learn how to do things correctly automatically
from the start. For example, in English, there is no space between the end of the sentence and the punctuation. Everyone benefits from getting corrected in writing, as long as the corrector is capable. Edited by tarvos on 25 December 2014 at 12:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4391 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 15 of 20 25 December 2014 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | ||
|
For example, in English, there is no space between the end of the sentence and the punctuation. [/QUOTE] This is something I was never told , not even by my native English-teacher when I was in highschool.This is also likeley to have to do with the fact that I had to hand in only handwritten essays . 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4710 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 16 of 20 25 December 2014 at 3:07pm | IP Logged | ||
|
And reading a whole ton of posts here doesn't make you ask why and fix it? We're not the
French. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
|  | 
Printable version
|
| Copyright 2024 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization. |
