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| LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6691 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes  4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 1 of 10 02 December 2007 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I did a little reading about creole languages but I am still a little confused about them. What are they exactly? I got the impression that they were pidgins that evolved into new languages. I read that one linguistic hypothesis is that pidgins develop into a creole language when pidgins become the native language of many children. Also is there a specific reason why they are so common in certain former colonies? They seem to be common on former colonial islands. How do you feel about creoles, pidgins, creolistics, and creolization?
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| bushwick Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 6244 days ago 407 posts - 443 votes Speaks: German, Croatian*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Japanese | Message 2 of 10 02 December 2007 at 2:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
'A creole language, or simply a creole, is a stable language that originates seemingly as a "new" language, sometimes with features that are not inherited from any apparent source, without however qualifying in any appreciable way as a mixed language.' -wikipedia 'A pidgin is a simplified language that develops as a means of communication between two or more groups who do not share a common language, in situations such as trade.' - wikipedia In other words, pidgin and creole languages are technically mixtures of different languages.
If you researched the matter of your question at least a bit, the answer to your question is quite logical. When colonists came to different islands and places, the native inhabitants and colonists were unable to communicate as they did not know anything about each others languages. thus, creoles and pidgins developed as means of communication. Edited by bushwick on 02 December 2007 at 2:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6691 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 3 of 10 02 December 2007 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
That actually is very logical. Thanks for answering my question. I did a little research, but that reason never occurred to me. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6272 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 4 of 10 03 December 2007 at 1:28am | IP Logged | |||||
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I read in the 1970s that creoles were pidgins that acquired large extra vocabulary and became native languages (pidgins in contrast are nobody's native idiom and tend to have small vocabularies, often only a few hundred words).
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| LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6691 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 5 of 10 03 December 2007 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
To me that makes sense. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6691 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written) | Message 6 of 10 03 December 2007 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
Wikipedia defines a pidgin as
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| ElfoEscuro Diglot Senior Member United States cyworld.com/brahmapu Joined 6289 days ago 408 posts - 423 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English* Studies: Japanese | Message 7 of 10 03 December 2007 at 6:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Russenorsk was a pidgin created by Russian traders & Norwegian fishermen. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6439 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 8 of 10 03 December 2007 at 7:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There was also a Basque-Icelandic Pidgin.
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