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Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 5960 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes
| Message 9 of 17 01 October 2008 at 6:26am | IP Logged |
わざとしてんの?
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| Cisa Super Polyglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6231 days ago 312 posts - 309 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Hungarian*, Slovak, FrenchC1, EnglishC2, Mandarin, SpanishB2, RussianB2, GermanB2, Korean, Czech, Latin Studies: Italian, Cantonese, Japanese, Portuguese, Polish, Hindi, Mongolian, Tibetan, Kazakh, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew
| Message 10 of 17 01 October 2008 at 6:34am | IP Logged |
In a book I´ve read Hirohito knew about 30,000 characters, that´s quite impressive! ;) But I have no info whether he was the one to know the most.
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| pitwo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5971 days ago 103 posts - 121 votes Speaks: French*, English
| Message 11 of 17 02 October 2008 at 11:26pm | IP Logged |
Cisa wrote:
In a book I´ve read Hirohito knew about 30,000 characters, that´s quite impressive! ;) But I have no info whether he was the one to know the most. |
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What was the book ?
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| Jlin Quadrilingual Pentaglot Newbie Taiwan Joined 5706 days ago 4 posts - 4 votes Speaks: EnglishC2, Mandarin*, Cantonese*, Indonesian*, Taiwanese* Studies: Spanish, French
| Message 12 of 17 06 October 2008 at 3:41am | IP Logged |
Number of characters in Chinese dictionaries (Wikipedia)
Published Year Name of Dictionary Number of Characters
100 Shuowen Jiezi & nbsp; 9,353
543 Yupian 12,158
601 Qieyun 16,917
1011 Guangyun 26,194
1039 Jiyun 53,525
1615 Zihui 33,179
1716 Kangxi Zidian 47,035
1916 Zhonghua Da Zidian 48,000
1989 Hanyu Da Zidian 54,678
1994 Zhonghua Zihai 85,568
According to one research, that base on the education level in Taiwan, characters known by students. This is not the whole data, but the shorter version.
Elementary 1st grade, around 750 characters
Elementary 2nd grade, around 1300 characters
Elementary 3rd grade, around 2200 characters
Elementary 4th grade, around 2750 characters
Elementary 5th grade, around 3200 characters
Elementary 6th grade, around 3600 characters
Secondary 1st grade, around 3700 characters
Secondary 2nd grade, around 3750 characters
Secondary 3rd grade, around 3800 characters
That according to my understanding, that Chinese have around 85000 writing characters, it is not the precise numbers, just characters that appeared through out the history. It is not that much of difference between simplified Chinese and traditional Chinese in the quantities, because these two can be converted one to another easily.
Some of those characters already vanished in daily use, but some of them still exist in people’s name, city names, or old scripts.
However, it is not necessary to know them all, because if you know 1000 most common Chinese characters, then you can read 92% of the common written materials (newspapers, magazines, and novels), 2000 characters for 98%, and 3000 characters for 99%.
For a native speaker and highly educated, approximately to know around 6000~8000 characters (In Taiwan, which uses Traditional Chinese characters, the Ministry of Education lists 4,808 commonly use characters; Less-Than-Common National Characters lists another 6,341 characters).
In my opinion, for most of the Chinese-speaking people, that learning new characters is about the same excitement of learning new words in English for English speaker. In western countries that people enjoy playing scrabble, in Taiwan, that we also enjoying knowing new characters by playing it out with difficult unknown characters.
Therefore, to answer your post that person who know the most characters, maybe there is no data according to that, so I just give you some reference about how many characters that we usually know. Because it is not a very common to have such contests in Taiwan or China, but I think in Japan, they do have that kind of games or competition, and they even have certificates for that.
Edited by Jlin on 06 October 2008 at 3:45am
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| Cisa Super Polyglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6231 days ago 312 posts - 309 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Hungarian*, Slovak, FrenchC1, EnglishC2, Mandarin, SpanishB2, RussianB2, GermanB2, Korean, Czech, Latin Studies: Italian, Cantonese, Japanese, Portuguese, Polish, Hindi, Mongolian, Tibetan, Kazakh, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew
| Message 15 of 17 07 October 2008 at 10:20am | IP Logged |
pitwo wrote:
Cisa wrote:
In a book I´ve read Hirohito knew about 30,000 characters, that´s quite impressive! ;) But I have no info whether he was the one to know the most. |
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What was the book ? |
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Ooh... It was written by a German guy... hmhm Hans Kirchmann or somebody with a similar name. Sorry, I can´t remember it exactly.
Edited by Cisa on 07 October 2008 at 10:21am
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| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 5960 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes
| Message 16 of 17 10 October 2008 at 2:08am | IP Logged |
Jlin wrote:
Therefore, to answer your post that person who know the most characters, maybe there is no data according to that, so I just give you some reference about how many characters that we usually know. Because it is not a very common to have such contests in Taiwan or China, but I think in Japan, they do have that kind of games or competition, and they even have certificates for that.
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Ah yes. The 日本漢字能力検定試験.
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