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| Wulfgar Senior Member United States Joined 4670 days ago 404 posts - 791 votes  Speaks: English* | Message 57 of 64 15 February 2012 at 10:39am | IP Logged | |||||
I use them as one of my main listening comprehension tools. The way I use them, they are great for that. So I disagree with you, because I think it depends on your overall language learning method. OP - I recommend going from hard to easy, as other posters have stated. Watching shows with L1 subtitles by themselves have little value, imo. But watch them after you have already seen the original show with no subtitles, or some other combination, and they become a helpful translation tool. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| LingJenkx Newbie United States Joined 4639 days ago 1 posts - 3 votes Speaks: English* | Message 58 of 64 14 March 2012 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If the L-R method works well, why doesn't it apply here? If I read L1 while listening to L2, I'm letting my brain see meaning while hearing L2. Doesn't reading the L1 subtitles while listening to the "drama" in L2 work in the same way?
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| Gallo1801 Diglot Senior Member Spain Joined 4901 days ago 164 posts - 248 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), Croatian, German, French | Message 59 of 64 18 March 2012 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Putting on Korean subtitles would be fine. I do that with foreign films a (put the
subtitles in the language of the dialogue) and it helps me understand so much more. The synthesis of being able to read it as well as here it makes it, not just both of them seperate. Another added benefit is that you don't have that cognitive dissonance when you hear one language and the translated subtitles dont' capture hardly any of the original meaning. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6124 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 60 of 64 18 March 2012 at 7:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
Not for me. If I read English subtitles, my long term memory will actually recall the characters speaking English. Somehow reading the words, hot-wires directly into my brain and substitutes English for Japanese/FInnish, and a week later I won't even be sure if I saw the movie in English or some other language. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| espejismo Diglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 5050 days ago 498 posts - 905 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: Spanish, Greek, Azerbaijani | Message 61 of 64 22 October 2013 at 4:59am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm sorry for resurrecting this dusty old thread, but I still can't stop laughing. =))) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sillygoose1 Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4635 days ago 566 posts - 814 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, Spanish, French Studies: German, Latin | Message 62 of 64 22 October 2013 at 5:12am | IP Logged | |||||
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Subtitles used to be very helpful to me, but now I feel that sometimes it makes my comprehension worse because I focus too much on the subs. The same happens to me in English, and especially when I watched Sherlock. I needed to turn on subs sometimes and my eyes were glued to them, and instead of listening, I was reading and I mentally blocked out all sound.
It's probably better at a certain point to use subs than when you get more comfortable with the language. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4443 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 63 of 64 22 October 2013 at 9:03am | IP Logged | |||||
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Anybody familiar with Chinese a lot of videos have subtitles in standard Mandarin for people speaking various
dialects. A lot of people in the Chinese community are used to reading so having subtitles on the screen isn't too intimidating. There are some who are Cantonese or Mandarin speakers who would prefer to stick to the language they are familiar with so that they don't have to read. Depending on how conscious you are learning a specific language, there are those who would watch a half-dozen movies in 1 language with subtitles and not even pick up a single word or phrase. And those who watch a movie once or twice and pick up many phrases. Using Chinese as an example many movies use standard Mandarin as subtitles but some do not. Suppose you are watching a movie in Cantonese from Hong Kong the phrase for "quickly" in standard Mandarin would be 快點 kuàidiǎn or 快一點 kuàiyīdiǎn for a bit more quickly. In Cantonese you would see 快-D with the English letter D at the end. Watching a movie in Cantonese with standard Mandarin subtitles you wouldn't see all the text match with the dialog. Doing it with Cantonese subtitles all the text should match with the dialog unless the speaker used an English word such as ID (for identification) and the subtitle used the Cantonese equivalent 證件. I spend time every week in an exercise room. There is a TV on the wall with the volume switched off. Regardless of the original language you can only watch with CC (close caption for the hearing impaired). As someone who is used to watching foreign films having the CC feature on full-time isn't an issue. Even a familiar language like English there are times a speaker would say something too fast so having subtitles of any kind is useful. I know an old lady who speaks 2 languages (English & French) but has hearing problems. When she is not watching TV with headphones she must switch on the CC. Otherwise the volume would be at 100db and too loud for people around who isn't half as deaf. Some of the time I will leave the TV on to listen to the news like a radio while working on the computer so wouldn't make any difference if there is text on the screen or not. Edited by shk00design on 24 October 2013 at 8:22am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 64 of 64 22 October 2013 at 1:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
:-) I would use masking tape, as it comes off easily. More seriously, there is certainly a danger that you just focuse on the NL subtitles, and "tune out" the TL audio. I've noticed that happens with L-R as well (using audiobooks). TL subtitles are one step better, if they exist on the media in question, and it's more obvious if the subtitles are faithful to the audio, or not. I've noticed that they usually are, but with the occasional word missed out, or a simpler phrase used. That's ok, as it keeps you on your toes. If you have the time and opportunity to watch once with TL subtitles, and a second (or more) time without, that's probably ideal. Sorry, that's probably been said before in this thread. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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