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| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4082 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes  Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 1 of 22 08 March 2014 at 11:39am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hugo German contains the following satz.
Gucken Sie bitte in die Fernsehzeitung. The preposition rules for "in" however lead me to thing it should be Gucken Sie bitte in der Fernsehzeitung. Any insight on why am I wrong? There is no movement here for Fernsehzeitung for it to be Akkusativ. Also, does it make a difference if instead of Gucken, we have Sehen/Lesen? Edited by Gemuse on 08 March 2014 at 12:09pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4082 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 2 of 22 08 March 2014 at 12:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Another simple question:
1. Er geht bis an die Tür. 2. Er kommt bis in die Gaststube. Why is it "in" in Satz 2, and "an" in 1? Dont both Sätze say "up to ..."? Edited by Gemuse on 08 March 2014 at 12:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 3 of 22 08 March 2014 at 12:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Hugo German's example sentence is correct. Gucken must be used with the accusative. IMHO, there's an implied movement/direction in it (because your eyeballs cast a glance). You might consider "gucken" a shortened version of "hineingucken," [look into] which is also used with the accusative. Gucken Sie bitte in die Fernsehzeitung hinein. Other verbs can, of course, be used with the dative: nachschlagen: Schlagen sie die Sendezeit in der Fernsehzeitung nach. lesen: Lesen sie die Witze in der Fernsehzeitung.
* lesen: Ich lese die Fernsehzeitung. [jede Woche, von vorne bis hinten usw.] Ich lese in der Fernsehzeitung. [aber nur das Kreuzworträtsel/die Klatschspalte usw.] * sehen: Ich sehe die Fernsehzeitung. [auf dem Tisch] Edited by Doitsujin on 08 March 2014 at 4:25pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4622 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 4 of 22 08 March 2014 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Likewise, you say er flüstert in mein Ohr - he whispers in my ear.
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| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 5 of 22 08 March 2014 at 2:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
In the first case you are still in front of the door. In the second case you have entered the pub and are in it. If you had said "Er geht bis an die Gaststube" you would be also directly in front of the pub without having entered it. If you had said "Er steht in der Tür", you would be standing directly in the frame. Edited by Cabaire on 08 March 2014 at 2:13pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Gemuse Senior Member Germany Joined 4082 days ago 818 posts - 1189 votes Speaks: English Studies: German | Message 6 of 22 08 March 2014 at 7:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks all!!!
So sehen cannot be used in the same sense as gucken? In English, we can say "See in the magazine if..." but Sehen Sie in der Fernsehzeitung bitte. would be wrong?
Does "bis in" mean "just inside"? What is the difference between 2. Er kommt bis in die Gaststube. 3. Er kommt in die Gaststube. Edited by Gemuse on 08 March 2014 at 7:20pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 7 of 22 08 March 2014 at 8:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
They're pretty similar, but not completely interchangeable.
"Sehen Sie in der Fernsehzeitung bitte" is wrong. You might say "Sehen sie sich bitte die Fernsehzeitung an," but that would refer to the magazine as whole. You might say it to point out that there's something weird or interesting about it. Even though the usage of "sehen" mostly overlaps with "to see" some of its meanings need to be expressed with different verbs in German. For example: 1. [to see = refer to] For more information see the user manual. a) Weitere Informationen finden Sie im Benutzerhandbuch. b) Weitere Informationen können Sie im Benutzerhandbuch nachschlagen/nachlesen. 2. [to see = to take care of, to ensure] See [to it] that no harm comes to him. a) Sorge dafür, dass ihm nichts passiert. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 8 of 22 08 March 2014 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Well, that's subtle. "Er kommt in die Gaststube" means only "he entered the pub", but if you say "er kommt bis in die Gaststube", you either hint at the fact, that he did not come any further (he could not enter the kitchen, although he wanted, but was stopped in the dining area), or that he came a longer way, and the entering of the pub was only the last step of his walk. Edited by Cabaire on 08 March 2014 at 9:10pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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