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| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 1 of 29 10 March 2014 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I was listening to a podcast from Bayern called Tagesgespaerch and the topic of the day
was Sprachen (Languages) and the interviewee (a professor I think) was talking about how his first language was Bairisch and that he learned Hochdeutsch in the school. I was under the impression that Bavarian was just a dialekt of German with a few words and phrases said differently, not a language all in itself. I was taught German by a Bavarian teacher but we never discussed diaklets in any depth so I'm pretty ignorant on the subject. Just how different is Bavarian from Hochdeutsch? Also I had some questions about the term Hochdeutsch. I was listening to another podcast (Slow German) and she was talking about how "Hochdeutsch" was just a term in the same vein as "the Queen's English", not really having too much meaning. From what I've understood of the term, I thought it was to differentiate High German from Low German (Plattduutsch, I think it's called). Is this an outdated meaning to the term and has it now the same non-meaning as "The Queen's English"? Or is Miss Ruebens mistaken? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 2 of 29 10 March 2014 at 9:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Bavarian or Bairisch, as the natives call it, is much more than a couple of extra words and a different pronunciation. The grammar is also slightly different. For details check out Wikipedia.
Non-Linguists use the term Hochdeutsch as a synonym for Standarddeutsch, i.e. for "neutral German" as used by actors, newscasters etc. However, linguists differentiate between Hochdeutsch and Niederdeutsch. According to them, Bavarians technically speak Hochdeutsch, but many Germans (without a PhD in linguistics) would probably disagree. :-) 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 3 of 29 10 March 2014 at 10:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks for the link Doitsujin! I didn't even think to look Wikipedia (prolly cause this
forum is more interesting). It's almost unrecognizable as German, but I find it pretty cool nonetheless. If ever get a chance to go to Bayern, I'll definitely have to work on learning a little Bavarian. I only just realized I misspelled dialect in my original post. Well I misspelled it in English. Haha. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4521 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 4 of 29 10 March 2014 at 10:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
I recently found this quote:
source: http://termcoord.eu/2013/11/how-can-you-find-out-if-your-lan guage-is- endangered/ 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 5 of 29 10 March 2014 at 11:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
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That's an interesting quote you have for us. I'm glad you're here since I'm also been
curious about Austrian-German. Are there any similarities to the German spoken in Bavaria and Switzerland? I ask since you're in closer proximity to the two than to North Germany. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| za20 Newbie Germany Joined 4197 days ago 35 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English | Message 6 of 29 10 March 2014 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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http://lyricstranslate.com/en/language/austrianbavarian
on this site, you can see many examples of this dialect. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 7 of 29 11 March 2014 at 11:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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Austrian and Bavarian belong to the same group of dialects (Bairisch), while Swiss German belongs to another group (Alemannisch). So yes, there are a lot of similarities between Bavarian and Austrian German, while Swiss German is completely different.
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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4521 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 8 of 29 11 March 2014 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
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There are several Bavarian subgroups in Bavaria as well as Austria. Some occur in both
countries, others don't (Eastern Middle Bavarian is only spoken in Austria and the dialect typically associated with Austria, Northern Bavarian is quite a small subgroup only spoken in Bavaria, the rest is somewhat present in both countries). There are no clear dialectal borders, it's a dialect continuum. People from Salzburg (Austria) and Freilassing (Bavaria) speak pretty much the same, so do people from Schärding (Austria) and Passau (Bavaria). People from Vienna and people from Munich speak quite differently though. So do people from Burgenland and people from Tyrol. Swiss German is not completely different. Both Bavarian and Alemannic belong to the same language super-group, Oberdeutsch. They share some grammatical features other dialects of German lack. With some exposure, they are mostly mutually intelligible. But you can even find Swabians who cannot understand a lot of Swiss-German, and those languages are both Alemmanic. So it depends on your dialectal skills and exposure ... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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