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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 9 of 29 12 March 2014 at 1:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Austrian Standard German is the only ''official(ized) form'' of Austro-Bavarian Hochsprache.
While many Bavarians code switch in writing and use ''Northern'' grammar forms (like the use of haben for perfect of stehen, sitzen, liegen) and vocabulary, Austrians have enough freedom to write in their local variety of Hochdeutch. There is no official language test for Bavarian German, Bavarian usage may be labeled as incorrect in tests like TestDaF. Austrian usage will always be considered correct in Österreichisches Sprachdiplom Deutsch. Edited by Medulin on 12 March 2014 at 1:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Falkenstein Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 3923 days ago 20 posts - 38 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Modern Hebrew Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 10 of 29 12 March 2014 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It's just a joke - to differentiate between Hochdeutsch and a dialect as different languages. They know it's the same language but some people take pride in their dialect, either to promote it as a legitimate way of speaking or because they're just not able to speak Hochdeutsch, therefore they like to make this kind of separation. The most famous example is probably the slogan of Baden- Württemberg: "Wir können alles. Außer Hochdeutsch.". I would say the same if my dialect sounded as atrocious as theirs. ;) By the way: I'm not the first one to tell you that it's spelled "tollpatschig", right? Edited by Falkenstein on 12 March 2014 at 6:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 11 of 29 12 March 2014 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't think it was a joke. In former times, before there were TV and radio, a lot of people used to speak only dialect at home and learned the standard language only when they entered school. These times aren't that long gone. Edited by Josquin on 12 March 2014 at 7:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 12 of 29 12 March 2014 at 7:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Wow I must suck if I cant detect humor in German. Lol and yeah I know its misspelled but the mods cant change it so..im up the proverbial creek. So let me ask everyone, what accent should I try to mimic when I speak? My German is heavily accented. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4844 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 13 of 29 12 March 2014 at 7:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Go for Hochdeutsch as it is spoken on the media. Imitating a local accent would sound just weird. By the way, I've heard your German and I think it's just fine. Everybody has an accent when they speak a foreign language (with the possible exception of Richard and Luca). So, don't worry too much about it! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 14 of 29 12 March 2014 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Thanks. I know you said I shoudnt worry. Im just self conscience about my accent. I avoid some languages because of it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Saim Pentaglot Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5083 days ago 124 posts - 215 votes Speaks: Serbo-Croatian, English*, Catalan, Spanish, Polish Studies: Dutch, Portuguese, Italian, Occitan, Punjabi, Urdu, Arabic (Maghribi), French, Modern Hebrew, Ukrainian, Slovenian | Message 15 of 29 13 March 2014 at 4:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
What are you talking about? Austrian Standard German is not a variety of Austro-Bavarian, it goes into the East-Central branch just like all of Standard German which is a composite standard with an Upper Saxon base. I seriously doubt that using the kind of language spoken by an old Austrian farmer (which would be close to "genuine" Austro-Bavarian less absorbed by Standard German) would be accepted on a German test in Austria... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 16 of 29 13 March 2014 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Pretty much the same sort of advice I give to people about what English accent to learn in Britain: listen to London-based BBC reporters and journalists and copy them, unless you happen to know they have a regional accent; don't listen to those ones, at least not for accent modelling.
True. I was listening this evening to a perfectly fluent, colloquial, entertaining German tonight giving a talk in English. I believe he's lived in England for 3 decades, but you could cut his accent with a knife. If would be a shame for him to lose his accent, but he'd benefit from a little accent coaching, in order to be more easily understood. I was struggling for about every third word. It was an interesting talk (about Berlin) though. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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