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| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4622 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 17 of 29 14 March 2014 at 3:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I guess it depends on where you learn. Most of the German I heard in real life was of the Berlinerisch variety and I've picked up a lot of that dialect. I automatically pronounce kein as keen, zwei as zwee. I always say nee instead of nein and things like jut jemacht.
If I ever sat an official oral test it would be difficult to stop these influences coming through. But if a few million people speak this way every day, it must be just as valid as other forms of the language. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 18 of 29 14 March 2014 at 4:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
To repeat Max Weinreichs well-known quote for the umpteenth time: :-)
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 19 of 29 15 March 2014 at 12:42am | IP Logged | |||||
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I've always been intrigued that Annik of "Schlaflos in München" fame doesn't seem to have
a Bavarian-sounding accent. Although she wasn't born in Bavaria (she was born in Konstanz, Baden-Württemberg), she has a Bavarian mother (and an Armenian father), and seems to have lived in Bavaria from at least her Gymnasium days. Perhaps because she was aiming for, and has, a media-type career, she has deliberately chosen to speak more or less "Standarddeutsch" professionally, at least. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 20 of 29 15 March 2014 at 5:54am | IP Logged | |||||
It's not as unusual as you might think. For example, my parents never spoke the regional dialect at home, because they had moved to my hometown from a different region of Germany and I've never really learned to actively speak the local dialect, except for some stock phrases. Also, some people still consider local dialects sub-standard German spoken only by the hoi polloi and refuse to speak it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 21 of 29 15 March 2014 at 1:00pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Most people in larger Bavarian cities don't sound particularly Bavarian, especially younger population (<40 years of age). The only trace you can find is the constant use of [s] in words like sehen, sein etc (although [z] is retained intervocalically, in words like Krise or Rose...) Even the uvular R is spreading like rapid fire. Edited by Medulin on 15 March 2014 at 1:06pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Steffen Newbie Germany Joined 4971 days ago 27 posts - 63 votes Studies: German* | Message 22 of 29 15 March 2014 at 3:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As others have already said, learning to speak dialect as a means of communication in a foreign country is probably
not advisable. I can hardly imagine a native speaker trying to learn a dialect that is not their own. Furthermore, the natives will probably sneer at you - which they would not do if you spoke standard language with a foreign accent. Apart from that, I like to stress that standard German is far from being spoken only in the media, by actors, politicians and suchlike. I have been living in Berlin for twenty-five years, and all my friends, teachers, colleagues and acquaintances speak standard German. In brief, do not make a fuss about it and just learn standard German. If you happen to live in an area where people speak with a heavy accent, you might want to develop good listening comprehension, but that was about it. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 4007 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 23 of 29 15 March 2014 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well I dont want to be sneered at so let's stick with Standard
German. I noticed the same thing about Annik and I assumed it was due to being a journalist and because some of her listenrs are students. Another question. I notice some Germans roll their Rs. Is this also a regional thing? And don't worry I won't be doing an R rolling, lol. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Falkenstein Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 3923 days ago 20 posts - 38 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Modern Hebrew Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 24 of 29 15 March 2014 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
Very regional. I have no idea why people do it and where it comes from. I associate it with rural areas and dialect. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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