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Possesion in German with the dative. | ||
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 2 of 25 15 March 2014 at 12:50am | IP Logged | ||
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There are two variants, an antiquated variant "Das Buch ist dem Kind", which you might still find in old translations from Latin, for example, and a sociolect variant "Das ist dem Kind sein Buch", which is a normal part of many dialects and you might sometimes hear people using it in Standard German, but then it sounds quite uneducated and as a learner, you might want to understand but not use this form.
The sentence that site gives I first misread as the second variant, but it could be parsed as a "Das ist dem Kind, das Buch", which would be ... possible, but seriously outdated? Edited by Bao on 15 March 2014 at 12:51am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5599 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes | Message 3 of 25 15 March 2014 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I often say "Das ist mir", but it seems to be a Hessian naughtiness of language.
PS. The substandard "Dem Kind sein Buch" is good Dutch: Het kind zijn boek. Edited by Cabaire on 15 March 2014 at 2:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5766 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 4 of 25 15 March 2014 at 2:57am | IP Logged | ||
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Yes, you're right; with personal pronouns it still works though as a dialect variant. And I might say it when I want to play cute. =) But non-natives will surely be corrected if they use it, don't you think so?
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| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6061 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 5 of 25 15 March 2014 at 3:51am | IP Logged | ||
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This book and its "sequels" address this issue in a funny (and bestselling) way.
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| Falkenstein Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 3923 days ago 20 posts - 38 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Modern Hebrew Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 6 of 25 15 March 2014 at 6:25am | IP Logged | ||
I've never heard that in my life. Some say: "Das ist dem Kind SEIN Buch" I don't know if it's regional but it's wrong. In Hessian dialect you may hear: "Das Buch ist dem Kind" instead of "Das Buch gehört dem Kind". The correct way to say it, is: "Das ist das Buch des Kindes". Colloquially acceptable may also be: "Das ist das Buch von dem Kind". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5320 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English | Message 7 of 25 15 March 2014 at 6:26am | IP Logged | ||
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As Bao has already pointed out, this construction is relatively rare, except for some fixed expressions. For example: Er war ihm/ihr ein guter Freund. Edited by Doitsujin on 15 March 2014 at 6:27am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bakunin Diglot Senior Member Switzerland outerkhmer.blogspot. Joined 5130 days ago 531 posts - 1126 votes Speaks: German*, Thai Studies: Khmer | Message 8 of 25 15 March 2014 at 7:16am | IP Logged | ||
It always amuses me to see prescriptivists get judgmental about other people's way of using language. For me, having grown up in Baden-Württemberg, this construction sounds very familiar. I believe I use it frequently when I speak German. I also drop the article when referring to people: Das ist Frank sein Problem. Das ist Frank seine Schuld. Das sind Frank seine Kinder. Frank seine Kinder sind schon erwachsen. Etc. Edited by Bakunin on 15 March 2014 at 7:17am 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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