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| roy2005 Diglot Groupie Hong Kong Joined 6550 days ago 70 posts - 75 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, German | Message 1 of 6 24 December 2006 at 9:07am | IP Logged |
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Does anyone has any ideas on what they are?
By extension, is there such a thing as "people with Keltoi blood"? Edited by roy2005 on 24 December 2006 at 9:12am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Darobat Diglot Senior Member Joined 7188 days ago 754 posts - 770 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Latin | Message 2 of 6 24 December 2006 at 9:20am | IP Logged |
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Celtic Languages
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| Crisedan Diglot Newbie United Kingdom Joined 6094 days ago 7 posts - 7 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Dutch | Message 3 of 6 27 February 2009 at 6:54pm | IP Logged |
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I would be highly critical of this 'celtic' terminology. Having been born and currently residing in a supposedly 'celtic' country and with apporximately of my ancestors from 'celtic' countries I am highly sceptical. I feel the phrase has been highjacked in recent years, as the idea of being a modern 'celt' has become fashionable. Particularly in the USA where a large number of people appear to value their Irish ancestry over their Germanic, slavic or romantic ancestry.
This idea of celticism seems to be largely the result of romantic nationalism. Take the republic of Ireland for exmaple, where modern genetic research is suggesting that the majority of its inhabitants actually share most genes with the Basques in Southern Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. Thus, in Ireland, the country which appears most proud of its 'celtic heritage', the celts were merely invaders whose contribution to the local gene pool isn't particularly important. In fact, judging by the evidence of the 'La Tene' culture in central europe, the countries with the largest extent of 'celtic' genes are likely to be based in continental europe. An example is that Paris was named after the celtic 'Parisii' Gaulish tribe. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| GibberMeister Bilingual Pentaglot Groupie Scotland Joined 5808 days ago 61 posts - 67 votes Speaks: Spanish, Catalan, Lowland Scots*, English*, Portuguese | Message 4 of 6 10 March 2009 at 1:58pm | IP Logged |
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I am Scottish and consider myself CEltic in the modern usage - i.e. from a country culturally preserving the remnants of Celtic religion and language into the historical area. The truth is, however, that genetically, the peoples of the British Isles are mostly descendants of stone age farmers who long preceded the arrival of the Ind-European languages in Europe. The arrival of Celtic culture was mainly that - a cultural superstratum rather than large scale population change.
Nevertheless, the Celtic languages themselves have some fascinating features. I can speak (though a little rusty) Scottish Gaelic (Gàidhlig) and am currently learning/playing around with Welsh. Initial mutations are a prime feature of all these languages and they are richly expressive as any other. With so many migrations in many directions across Europe it is a bit of a misinterpretation to talk about Celtic blood. I prefer to refer to Celtic languages (which is accurate) and Celtic culture - which though perhaps a misnomer, is part of our cultural and linguistic heritage. Come on the Celts! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Vinlander Groupie Canada Joined 5821 days ago 62 posts - 69 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 5 of 6 01 June 2009 at 6:58pm | IP Logged |
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I consider Celtic both a linguistic culture and a geographical culture. As a geographical it consists of Ireland the U.K. and France. Simply put it just means in my mind the mixed region of Latin and Germanic, Since England and France in my mind are more closely bonded than the rest of Europe. As far as Celtic Europe as linguistic group I Think of it only as a places where Gaelic(I/S) and Brythonic languages are spoken. As an Atlantic Canadian I consider my self part of this group. Cape Breton and Newfoundland in Canada had a very important gaelic presence here until 50 years ago. To me we( at least to my family) are far more Celtic than anyone in Dublin or the Scottish lowlands). Growing up as a kid I always though Gaelic(I/R) was a major language in Europe, when in reality it's presents was just as prevalnent here until 50 years ago.
As far as being a newworlder that is only focusing on my Celtic side. I'm Equal parts Scottish, Irish, French and English. However I would be proud to be Germaninc if I believed it, or latin, however I find it rather hard to see me as having any routes in either. Edited by Vinlander on 01 June 2009 at 7:00pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| jbbar Senior Member Belgium Joined 5800 days ago 192 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English | Message 6 of 6 03 June 2009 at 12:35am | IP Logged |
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Celtic influence in Germany is very limited despite the fact that the Celts originated in what is now Austria and Germany. After all, the Celts spread to Ireland, Gaul, and, don't forget, Hispania and even as far as Asia Minor! Ethnically 'pure' Celts hardly exist, but Ireland is by far the most Celtic country of Europe. Englishmen are sometimes said to be more Germanic than the Germans themselves so it doesn't make much sense to say that Britain in its entirety is Celtic. Only Scotland and Wales are truly Celtic (compared to England). French natives are mostly a mix of Gauls (Celtic tribes) and Italic peoples (hence, Gallo-Romans) AND Germanic people (mostly Frankish tribes). The most 'Germanic' Frenchmen are found in North France, which is not very surprising since Dutch was spoken in that region by the Flemish (predominantly a Germanic people) in the past.
Genetic make-up of Europe Benelux & France ancestry project (scroll down for ethnic map of France) Celtic trivia Genetics of the British and Irish people Fascinating topic. I regret to see the Celtic languages disappearing. jbbar Edited by jbbar on 03 June 2009 at 12:57am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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