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| BaronBill Triglot Senior Member United States HowToLanguages.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4688 days ago 335 posts - 594 votes  Speaks: English*, French, German Studies: Spanish, Mandarin, Persian | Message 17 of 30 15 October 2013 at 2:25am | IP Logged | |||||
That is normally the suggestion around here, to have each word in ANKI twice (L2>L1 and L1>L2). That's what I do and it seems to work quite well. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Durazno Newbie United States Joined 4689 days ago 10 posts - 10 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 18 of 30 15 October 2013 at 3:50am | IP Logged | |||||
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Gracias por sus respuestas rapidas!
I've got a few lists with about 500 words. Its time to get cracking! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 19 of 30 15 October 2013 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Erm, I wouldn't say there's a default rec here on HTLAL. it depends on your goals and your strong points. if you are very talkative and never miss a chance to practise, it may well be enough to learn the word passively and then activate it as you speak with the natives. If you are an introvert who loves reading, it might make more sense to create cards with gaps using authentic examples from books. It's also easy to incorporate audio or pictures into your cards nowadays.
awww nostalgy:
my own post in the beginning also refers to paper flashcards. Although I still think that if you do both directions, you should switch between them, ie don't filter your cards based on that. Edited by Serpent on 15 October 2013 at 4:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Crush Tetraglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5864 days ago 1622 posts - 2299 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Esperanto Studies: Basque | Message 20 of 30 15 October 2013 at 5:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The problem i've always found when going native->target is that a lot of times one (for me) English word can have several (let's say) Spanish translations. If i see "happy", how do i know if the response is "feliz", "alegre", or even "contento"? Translating from target->native tends to avoid that problem, especially when placed in context.
I'd be interested in hearing what others have to say on that. When doing word lists or things where i'm working with a small group of words (50-100) it's not such a big issue, but normally that's not the case... 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 21 of 30 15 October 2013 at 5:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well, just because a dictionary translates all three words as happy doesn't mean there are no differences between them. And actually I would say that roughly feliz=happy, alegre=joyful (gay as it was previously used), contento=content, satisfied. But yeah, you can't really learn these differences by using single word flashcards.
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 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6908 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 30 15 October 2013 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
Those were the days... :) My usual recipe is to start with recognition (L2->L1) and add production (L1->L2)when I feel I have a decent knowledge of the vocabulary I'm exposed to. Both directions are important. Nobody can deny that. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5531 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 23 of 30 15 October 2013 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
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For my first deck, I ended up making about 1,000 L1->L2 and 1,000 L2->L1 cards using Mnemnosyne. This actually worked quite well at first, but by the time I reached a thousand words, it had gotten really grim: 70+ cards to review per day, with lots of words that had subtly overlapping meanings, and tons of really awful cards that I failed constantly. So I spent my life cycling through the most painful cards over and over again.
Still, I did learn something, but I crashed and burned hard at the 3 month mark, when reviews were up to 40 grueling minutes per day. When I tried flash cards again, a few years later, I went with Anki, I synced it between my laptop and my phone, and I used two card formats:
And also cloze cards, for key vocabulary that I'd like to master:
I enter all sentences by cutting and pasting from digital sources. I find both these formats to be far more enjoyable than L1<->L2 cards. They're also pretty efficient: I gain good passive recognition of 80% of the words, and many of the useful words end up lurking just below my "active" threshold. Since I get lots of speaking opportunities, I say, "What was that word again? Oh, yeah." And so any genuinely useful words tend to activate. Of course, if you have fewer speaking opportunities that I do, then you would probably have to use more cloze cards. And some people do seem to enjoy L1<->L2 cards, and benefit from them, so this advice isn't for everybody, and it may not be appropriate at all levels. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sans-serif Tetraglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4558 days ago 298 posts - 470 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, German, Swedish Studies: Danish | Message 24 of 30 15 October 2013 at 6:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not the biggest fan of flashcards, but I do use them and usually for single words in the direction L1->L2. I first of all make the L1 prompt as long and clunky as necessary to dispel all ambiguity about which word is being meant. Sometimes I even resort to such inelegant methods as giving myself the first letter of the word or a "not <synonym>" as a clue. Earlier I used to think that the harder my cards, the more I'm learning, but as experience has shown, it's obviously the other way around. I've also come to realize that, at least for me, single word flashcards mainly address one subtask of learning vocabulary: that of ingraining the "label" in my memory, in other words the spelling and the sounds representing the meaning, not so much the meaning itself. Of course, seeing a translation or two for a word gives you a general idea of the meaning it carries, but it says little about how it relates to other words or what kinds of phrases it usually appears in. Seeing the word used in different contexts and using it is what takes care of this latter part. Edited by sans-serif on 15 October 2013 at 9:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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