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| RogueRook Diglot Senior Member Germany N/A Joined 6843 days ago 174 posts - 177 votes  6 sounds Speaks: German*, English Studies: Hungarian, Turkish | Message 33 of 43 03 November 2006 at 3:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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I conquered the turkish R by first voicing a plain thrilled R and later I added more "air pressure" to it, that is I tried to breathe out while thrilling. Sounds impossible, but after a while it worked.
BTW Turkish is a fascinating language to learn, good luck. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| unlocked87 Groupie United States Joined 6631 days ago 42 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 34 of 43 03 November 2006 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | ||
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How do you pronounce "dort drüben" in German?
On the pimsleur lessons it sounds really weird in drueben. Theres like a strange glottal stop and I don't hear the B. It sounds like theres something else in there but I can't make it out. Any help if you know what i mean would be cool. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Walshy Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6953 days ago 335 posts - 365 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German | Message 35 of 43 03 November 2006 at 11:50pm | IP Logged | ||
I've noticed that in a lot of German words which end in 'ben', the speaker's mouth doesn't often open after the 'b', and that the final sound is nasal. I know I've described it badly, but look here about 1 minute in to see it for yourself. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| RogueRook Diglot Senior Member Germany N/A Joined 6843 days ago 174 posts - 177 votes 6 sounds Speaks: German*, English Studies: Hungarian, Turkish | Message 36 of 43 04 November 2006 at 8:33am | IP Logged | ||
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You are right, in normal standard speech "drüben" is realized as "drübm". Between b and m there seems to be a strange nasal stop. This phenomenon applies to other
"-en" endings as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| unlocked87 Groupie United States Joined 6631 days ago 42 posts - 44 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 37 of 43 04 November 2006 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks guys, I can now pronounce dort drueben. I just needed to see it written how it sounds.
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| Andy_Liu Triglot Senior Member Hong Kong leibby.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6797 days ago 255 posts - 257 votes Speaks: Mandarin, Cantonese*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 38 of 43 05 November 2006 at 12:14am | IP Logged | ||
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I conquered uvular and alveolar trills in 2 weeks, but I still have problems:
1) I know native speakers of languages having these sounds won't trill that hard, and in practice I do the same, but what's troubling is my throat gets dry quickly after saying a lot of words that require trilling - how to care for the throat? 2) Are there different forms of the alveolar trill? I mean, the tongue position may be different in, for example, Italian and Russian. I also don't understand the French R - what is it? And what are flaps (e.g. Japanese r)? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6779 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 39 of 43 05 November 2006 at 5:52am | IP Logged | ||
The French R is uvular. You make a little friction way at the back of your throat, almost like you're gargling mouthwash. It's really like the standard German R. As for the Japanese "r", do you know what the alveolar ridge is? It's that little upside-down "hill" in the roof of your mouth behind your teeth. You just tap (flap) your tongue against that to make the Japanese r. You can learn it by starting with the English "l" sound and then moving the tip of your tongue back to the ridge. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| NuclearGorilla Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6797 days ago 166 posts - 195 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Japanese, French | Message 40 of 43 05 November 2006 at 7:55pm | IP Logged | ||
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To clarify, though, there is a difference between a tap and a flap. With a tap, the tongue is moved from below the alveolar ridge and moves rapidly to hit it before moving rapidly away. For a flap, the tongue begins pointed upward behind the alveolar ridge and is struck against the ridge in a downward motion. I believe the Japanese 'r' is typically referred to as a flap rather than a tap. I don't know if this is actually true in practice.
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