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lady_skywalker Triglot Senior Member Netherlands aspiringpolyglotblog Joined 6901 days ago 909 posts - 942 votes Speaks: Spanish, English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, French, Dutch, Italian
| Message 9 of 11 11 December 2006 at 5:24am | IP Logged |
Ari wrote:
I think this depends on the target language. Interestingly enough, I've heard (though I have no idea, myself) that especially in Japanese, men and women speak differently, using different intonation patterns, or something (can't remember exactly). That would probably mean that learning exclusively from women if you're a guy might make you sound feminine. I would expect this to be stronger in more gender segregated cultures than in others. |
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I agree. The same can be said of Arabic and Hebrew, where verbs seem to be conjugated differently depending on whether the speaker is male or female and on whether the person you're addressing is male or female. In the case of Japanese, women and men use different mannerisms and expressions. One example I can think of is 'boku', which men use as an informal version of 'watashi'. I don't think you'll hear many women using that but I might be wrong.
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6920 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 10 of 11 11 December 2006 at 5:40am | IP Logged |
I've heard that word choice is highly dependent of the gender in Japanese. As always, there is a Wikipedia article.
Somewhere I read that Kevin Costner got laughed at when speaking feminine Lakota in "Dances with wolves". :)
Moreover, this is slightly related to something that struck me a few weeks ago when I came to think of gender-conjugated verbs in Russian. In past tense the verb (in singular) takes the ending according to the gender.
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| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6779 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 11 of 11 11 December 2006 at 6:19am | IP Logged |
lady_skywalker wrote:
Ari wrote:
I think this depends on the target language. Interestingly enough, I've heard (though I have no idea, myself) that especially in Japanese, men and women speak differently, using different intonation patterns, or something (can't remember exactly). |
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… In the case of Japanese, women and men use different mannerisms and expressions. One example I can think of is 'boku', which men use as an informal version of 'watashi'. I don't think you'll hear many women using that but I might be wrong. |
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Actually, a woman could say it to a little boy, but then she'd be talking about the boy and not herself. :)
Casual Japanese has gender differences, but it's more a matter of style, with women being allowed to speak more "gently" than men. Note that "boku" actually means "manservant", so it's obviously strange for a woman to use it in reference to herself.
[For those who don't know, Japanese has no true pronouns, but it has some pronoun-like words that vary a little according to one's gender.]
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