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| chenshujian Diglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5456 days ago 122 posts - 139 votes  Speaks: Mandarin*, English Studies: French | Message 1 of 6 24 December 2009 at 6:57pm | IP Logged | ||
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A Japanese friend told me that 出身 was pronounced as "shusshin"
Who can tell me that what the double "s" mean? I had tried to omit one s,but found that with only one "s",it became 終身 or some other words. I also need you to tell me the difference in pronunciation between one s and double s? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| TixhiiDon Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 5470 days ago 772 posts - 1474 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese, German, Russian Studies: Georgian | Message 2 of 6 24 December 2009 at 11:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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Hi chen, the double consonant sound appears in kanji compounds where the first character ends in つ and the second begins with a "k" sound (かきくけこ), an "s" sound (さしすせそ), a "t" sound (たちつてと） or an "h" sound (はひふへほ).
So in your example, 出 is pronounced しゅつ ("shutsu") and 身 is pronounced しん ("shin"). When they are joined together, the つ is changed to a small っ, so you end up with しゅっしん rather than しゅつしん. The double consonant is pronounced like a long "sh", as if you hold the "sh" sound for a moment. There are many many examples of this in Japanese. 劣化 = れつ＋か = れっか (meaning: deterioration) In romaji, "rekka", pronounced by holding the "k" sound for a moment. 鍍金 = めつ＋き ＝ めっき (meaning: plating) "mekki" 喫茶店 ＝ きつ＋さ＋てん ＝ きっさて ん (cafe) "kissaten" 一致 ＝ いつ＋ち ＝ いっち (match) "icchi" (holding the "ch" sound). With はひふへほ things become more complicated as the "h" sound switches to a "p" sound. For example: 発表 ＝ はつ＋ひょう＝はっぴょう (announcement) "happyoo". There are probably some exceptions, and I may not have covered everything here as I have never really studied Japanese grammar systematically, but I think I've given you the basic rule there. Edited by TixhiiDon on 24 December 2009 at 11:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| wildweathel Newbie United States Joined 5569 days ago 32 posts - 71 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Japanese | Message 3 of 6 25 December 2009 at 3:37am | IP Logged | ||
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Head over to WWWJDIC, look up
出身 shusshin, hometown/alma mater 主神 shushin, chief god 終身 shuushin, life-time (supply/membership/prison term) and listen to the audio samples. ssh is longer than sh, and uu is longer than u. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6774 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 4 of 6 25 December 2009 at 4:32am | IP Logged | ||
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Japanese is "mora-timed", meaning each syllable is one uniform-length beat, and the word 出身 is four syllables.
Tap out a beat with your hand and say: shu - sh - shi - nn しゅ・っ・し・ん 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| chenshujian Diglot Senior Member ChinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5456 days ago 122 posts - 139 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, English Studies: French | Message 5 of 6 26 December 2009 at 7:11am | IP Logged | ||
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Thank you very much,my friends.
Now I think I have a better understanding of 出身. 私は中国出身です。はじめますで。 ありがとうございます。 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Monox D. I-Fly Senior Member Indonesia monoxdifly.iopc.us Joined 5141 days ago 762 posts - 664 votes Speaks: Indonesian* | Message 6 of 6 21 January 2018 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | ||
Is it also counted like that in haiku? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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