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EnglishEagle
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United Kingdom
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 Message 1 of 26
16 June 2013 at 4:38pm | IP Logged 
Hiya,

I'm travelling to Germany in 8 weeks time and its been a motivating factor for me to be
able to get by on some German. In 4 weeks time I have 4 weeks holiday before the trip.
So I will have several free hours a day to learn.

So far I've put approximately 20 questions/statements in Anki and I am starting to
learn them (e.g asking where the toilet, something to drink/eat etc)... However, I need
to address the bigger picture which is starting to learn German (which I've wanted to
do for so many months).

But, what I think is the problem is not knowing where to start. I haven't been through
the process of learning a foreign language so I am stuck. Should I buy Assimil, Teach
Yourself, FSI? Go through these get a basic understanding. Move onto graded readers and
simple books and starting to pick out basic vocab and learn it. Start to teach myself
grammar and sentence formation etc... Find a language partner to converse on Skype
with? I am just lost on what to do and how to do it? I know everyone's method is
different, but I am willing to try and test known methods to find the right one.

Thankyou! (Sorry for the long post)
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daegga
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 Message 2 of 26
16 June 2013 at 5:34pm | IP Logged 
4-8 weeks ... I think I would go through the Paul Noble and Michel Thomas courses and read through a phrase book (maybe SRSing it).
If you have never learned a foreign language before, don't expect too much in such a short time.
After the trip, you can start thinking long-term.
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Cavesa
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 Message 3 of 26
16 June 2013 at 5:40pm | IP Logged 
For two months? I'd suggest Assimil and Themen Aktuell 1 (or TY). That should make you ready for for more than just the tourist situations. A language partner is a great tool but I'd wait until you have something to speak about if I were you.

One of the most important things right at the beginning:learn the correct pronunciation. That is something you can catch up on later really hard. FSI is wonderful for the pronunciation. The rest of FSI is quite good as well but there was a huge ortograph reform since it was made.

Anki is a wonderful tool, just keep to it and you'll see nice progress.

It sounds great, 4 weeks holiday and than Germany. How long will you stay there?

P.S. That's not a long post :-)
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EnglishEagle
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 Message 4 of 26
16 June 2013 at 5:52pm | IP Logged 
Cavesa wrote:
For two months? I'd suggest Assimil and Themen Aktuell 1 (or TY). That
should make you ready for for more than just the tourist situations. A language partner
is a great tool but I'd wait until you have something to speak about if I were you.

One of the most important things right at the beginning:learn the correct
pronunciation. That is something you can catch up on later really hard. FSI is
wonderful for the pronunciation. The rest of FSI is quite good as well but there was a
huge ortograph reform since it was made.

Anki is a wonderful tool, just keep to it and you'll see nice progress.

It sounds great, 4 weeks holiday and than Germany. How long will you stay there?

P.S. That's not a long post :-)


Thanks for those who have replied! I think I will look at Assimil and purchase it on
Amazon, tomorrow. I am going there for 1 week, so its not like I will have to use it
extensively. I am just stuck on what type of courses to use. I think I will definitely
use Assimil and possibly incorporate some more vocab and phrases.

Maybe I can try and learn 10-20 phrases/new words a day whilst also doing Assimil?
Realistically, how far will Assimil take me, a weak A2 level?
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Serpent
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 Message 5 of 26
16 June 2013 at 6:18pm | IP Logged 
I think in your situation Michael Thomas would be the best quick guide to the German grammar.
When you have more time, add stuff from Deutsche Welle (such as Deutsch? Warum nicht!) and lyricstraining.com.

Once you are able to make your own sentences, find someone to practise with. A language exchange partner might be difficult to find in such a short amount of time and especially in summer, so look either for a friend or for a tutor.

Assimil would take you to B1 but you don't have enough time to do the full course. You can start it though - try shadowing! (you don't have to do all the steps or follow the schedule listed there)

Edited by Serpent on 16 June 2013 at 6:21pm

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EnglishEagle
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 Message 6 of 26
16 June 2013 at 6:57pm | IP Logged 
Serpent wrote:
I think in your situation Michael Thomas would be the best quick guide
to the German grammar.
When you have more time, add stuff from Deutsche Welle german/deutsch-warum-nicht/s-2548">(such as Deutsch? Warum nicht!) and
lyricstraining.com.

Once you are able to make your own sentences, find someone to practise with. A language
exchange partner might be difficult to find in such a short amount of time and
especially in summer, so look either for a friend or for a tutor.

Assimil would take you to B1 but you don't have enough time to do the full course. You
can start it though - try
shadowing! (you don't have
to do all the steps or follow the schedule listed there)


I'll check out Michael Thomas! Is this the one? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Total-German-
Michel-Thomas-Method/dp/144413308X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=13 71401565&sr=8-
1&keywords=michael+thomas+german I think I will also order Assimil. For the Deutsche
Welle does that take you from A1 -> B1. I know I shouldn't be focused on the levels eg
A1, A2 etc, but I think it would give a good guide of progression.

I think I will probably have 100 hours to use for studying German (not including dead
time). I also think I need to be aware of not burning out.

Thankyou!
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g-bod
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 Message 7 of 26
16 June 2013 at 7:31pm | IP Logged 
Assimil is not a bad place to start. The lessons come in an ideal size for daily study and as
a complete beginner I think the most important thing is to get into the habit of making the
language part of your daily routine. You won't achieve miracles in 8 weeks, however you can
at least get halfway through the passive phase of Assimil which will help you understand some
of what is going on around you. And then hopefully you'll come back feeling highly motivated
to finish the course.

I also found, in addition to studying half the Assimil course, Michel Thomas (which you will
hopefully be able to get from your local library), the free Deutsche Welle radio courses,
plus a cheap pocket phrasebook to be helpful preparation for a trip to Germany. Plus
listening to lots of German music!

But don't try to do too much at once. Maybe aim to cover one Assimil lesson a day and then
dip into other resources according to how much energy you have. One of my biggest problems is
I have a tendency to find too many good resources but then feel overwhelmed because there's
no way I can do all of them (and actually no need either).
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EnglishEagle
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 Message 8 of 26
16 June 2013 at 7:47pm | IP Logged 
g-bod wrote:
Assimil is not a bad place to start. The lessons come in an ideal size
for daily study and as
a complete beginner I think the most important thing is to get into the habit of making
the
language part of your daily routine. You won't achieve miracles in 8 weeks, however you
can
at least get halfway through the passive phase of Assimil which will help you
understand some
of what is going on around you. And then hopefully you'll come back feeling highly
motivated
to finish the course.

I also found, in addition to studying half the Assimil course, Michel Thomas (which you
will
hopefully be able to get from your local library), the free Deutsche Welle radio
courses,
plus a cheap pocket phrasebook to be helpful preparation for a trip to Germany. Plus
listening to lots of German music!

But don't try to do too much at once. Maybe aim to cover one Assimil lesson a day and
then
dip into other resources according to how much energy you have. One of my biggest
problems is
I have a tendency to find too many good resources but then feel overwhelmed because
there's
no way I can do all of them (and actually no need either).


Thankyou, I think that it is what I will do. I have been listening to a couple of
German songs and have picked up a couple of words e.g etwas, schwerelos, Ich weiss etc
I am hoping to increase my study time a month before I leave to possibly 1.5 - 2 hours
a day.

I think I will buy Assimil and see if I can get MT at the local library. How much time
do you roughly have to put into studying to get to a B1 level. People say that around
the B1 that is when you can start to communicate and that is truly my main purpose.

Edited by EnglishEagle on 16 June 2013 at 7:48pm



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