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Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5008 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 9 of 15 03 July 2013 at 11:48am | IP Logged |
Well, depends on what drove you off from anki. I think it may be a bit off putting at the beginnings but worth giving a chance, especially if you want to easily synchronize more computers or just back up your decks and progress.
Why do you want it to randomly show you the English and French side? I usually find that showing me the L1 side and therefore letting me translate into the target language works both for active and passive knowledge at once but that is just my point of view. If you want that, than anki surely has (I knew how to do it in the older version) a function to creat backwards cards and than you can shuffle the deck.
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| Melya68 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4290 days ago 109 posts - 126 votes Speaks: French*, English
| Message 10 of 15 03 July 2013 at 8:40pm | IP Logged |
I like Supermemo 2008 better and I know there are ways to make parallel cards, but I haven't figured out how to do it yet. I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could help me out with this.
At the moment I'm mostly using paper flashcards + Memrise.
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| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4532 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German
| Message 11 of 15 09 July 2013 at 9:29am | IP Logged |
I didn't realize there was so much hate for Anki. :)
I have been using it for the last year and learnt about 9400 cards. I am not sure how many words that equals as I use sentences too. It was enough, along with reading and films, to get me from A1 to B2- in German.
I would certainly echo Serpent's point that learning straight word lists without sentences is going to be inefficient, as there is too much nuance to capture using definitions. I think of the definitions for the word lists as a sort of ballpark estimate of the meaning, that has to be refined by constant exposure in reading and listening.
What I have found quite effective is to read a book with the Kindle. Look up all the unknown words in the Kindle dictionary. Make a note of of the entire dictionary definition, and then cut-and-paste the text file that is in the Kindle to create separate cards for the word definition, and for each of the example sentences/phrases in the dictionary. So one word, might generate about five or more cards, depending on the complexity of the word. I find one book generates about 2-3 months of cards for me, so you want to be a little selective, but it certainly builds up vocabulary quickly.
Edited by patrickwilken on 09 July 2013 at 9:31am
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 12 of 15 09 July 2013 at 2:50pm | IP Logged |
Yes, my dad has found it very useful too.
For English, you should also be able to find advanced level coursebooks with excerpts from authentic materials like books or articles.
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| Melya68 Diglot Senior Member France Joined 4290 days ago 109 posts - 126 votes Speaks: French*, English
| Message 13 of 15 11 July 2013 at 12:43am | IP Logged |
Thank you very much for sharing your experiences and advice.
Given that I've been told to rest my knee for two months (a little walking and that's it, yay), I might try to use an SRS after all.
I've fired up SuperMemo again today and I did some reviews which went very well.
Depending on how bored I am, I might decide to make 300+ electronic flash cards of the words I've been learning old-school.
However, I'm not going to ditch the paper flash cards. I revise vocabulary in the most uncanny situations (while brushing my teeth, for example).
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| PeterMollenburg Senior Member AustraliaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5475 days ago 821 posts - 1273 votes Speaks: English* Studies: FrenchB1
| Message 14 of 15 21 August 2013 at 3:08pm | IP Logged |
Flashcards Deluxe is an app available on iphone and now android phones as well. It's a
fantastic app with a load of SRS options. I haven't read all the posts here, as
admittedly it's a little late and I can't be bothered but it's worth looking up. I
enter cards while using other programs such as Assimil, FIA, and so on.... but I'm not
sure many others do this, a critical time saver is I don't enter them via a computer,
not do I tap tap tap away on the rediculous phone screen displayed keyboard... but I
enter directly into the phone via a bluetooth keyboard. It's quick it's awesome.
As for SRS, it's problematic in some ways... I want words in their context, not in
isolation, but if i provide example sentences then other words appear as a part of the
sentence. That's an issue because I ONLY enter NEW words, so sentences mean reproducing
other words. Then when i search the entire word list to see if i've already entered the
word as a card before full sentences will 'get in the way' of seeing individual words.
You see, as I have already done a lot of study/learning before coming across FCD SRS
system I often enter words I already know (but want to reinforce). So I'm left entering
words in isolation with multiple (sometimes rediculously numerous) definitions.
Isolated because I can't enter example sentences without them getting in the way single
word entries.
I have come across a review website before that compares all the SRS systems out there.
FCD comes highly recommended by many many reviewers... worth a look. My apologies if
i've missed the mark with this post, just feel like actually posting again for once and
don't really know if it's useful to anyone, as reading all the previous posts seems too
tedious right now.
cheers
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| lorinth Tetraglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 4273 days ago 443 posts - 581 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish, Latin Studies: Mandarin, Finnish
| Message 15 of 15 21 August 2013 at 10:11pm | IP Logged |
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If you also need an SRS for Mandarin, and you have a smart phone, Pleco is an extremely
useful tool that has many well integrated features, including a flashcard tool that does
SRS (among other things).
See Pleco's website.
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