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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5559 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 9 of 61 28 April 2014 at 8:30pm | IP Logged | ||
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There have been some excellent discussions about introversion in the past, and an
excellent video by splog is linked in the first post http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=23742&PN=9 http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=29411&PN=21&TPN=1 sorry, trouble posting links. delete any gap in "T ID" that appear when you copy to browser address field For me, these were revelatory, in particuar the difference between introversion and shyness. I find audio can be tiring, but I think that's mainly my attention deficit disorder, and I don't like speakers who put too much emotional content into their speaking, which I tend to find totally distracts me from listening to the words. I guess that could be introversionTID=23742&PN=1">splog Edited by schoenewaelder on 28 April 2014 at 8:54pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 10 of 61 28 April 2014 at 11:31pm | IP Logged | ||
Me too but I don't want to have them too often. In fact the thought of reading or watching football at home tends to win. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| hjordis Senior Member United States snapshotsoftheworld. Joined 5185 days ago 209 posts - 264 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 11 of 61 29 April 2014 at 5:07am | IP Logged | ||
This happens to me sometimes too, even in English. Don't worry about it too much. What I do is if I want to use a word and I'm not sure how it's pronounced I'll interrupt my sentence and say I'm not sure how it's said- (how I think it's pronounced)? Then wait for the other person to confirm or correct before continuing. Just accept it as a flaw you need to work on and don't be too embarrassed by it. :) As for the original topic, I agree it's not an introvert/extrovert thing. I think it's just level of comfort. I'm an introvert and (used to) read a lot in English, but I used to get tired almost immediately reading anything in French. Now it takes a lot longer unless it's something too far outside my ability level. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 12 of 61 29 April 2014 at 6:04pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well it does vary, but still, introverts like silence and are not afraid of it, whereas extroverts prefer almost any background noise to silence.
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| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4846 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 13 of 61 09 May 2014 at 5:10am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm an introvert, and I find that sometimes sound/audio can be taxing. But I don't think that is because I'm introverted. I think it's because the sound/audio is friggin' boring.
I try to use a lot of audio in my learning: podcasts, audio from my texts, random recordings from the radio, etc. But the problem I run into is that nothing I've found is interesting to me. Those kind of things are made for the public at large; they concentrate on subjects that the majority of people like. Ideally, I want stuff that is tailor-made for my specific interests, at a comprehensible level. I'm really picky and not very open-minded. Come to think of it, that is probably why I'm introverted, because I have a unique set of interests that nobody else can identify with, and I'm too stubborn to change. Edited by kujichagulia on 09 May 2014 at 5:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 14 of 61 09 May 2014 at 6:45am | IP Logged | ||
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Hehe me too, but I've found some consolation at this forum.
(isn't it interesting to hear about football in Portuguese? like DW or whatever) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4307 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 15 of 61 09 May 2014 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Introversion is a nicer phrase than "has weak social skills."
We language learners are very skeptical of people who say they "naturally" struggle. We know that the truth is that some people do have an easier time than others, but that language learning is an attainable skill for anyone, and that everyone needs a lot of practice to get good. I think the same standard should be brought to skills in social situations, and how well we can carry a converstaion with a stranger. If you lack the skills, if you're a mediocrity, be honest with yourself, and say that you're lacking an important skill. If you're unhappy with that, do something to change it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4307 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 16 of 61 09 May 2014 at 2:09pm | IP Logged | ||
I'm afraid that this sentiment is exactly what I dislike. Exactly the sort of apologizing for mediocrity which uses feel-good language to make you think the issue is with human rights, rather than self- improvement: Quote: I’d like to examine the idea that being “outgoing and extroverted” is some sort of universal ideal. It isn’t. If a kid is introverted he doesn’t need to be broken like a dog. He doesn’t need to change his personality. He doesn’t even need to “come out of his shell.” He’s not hiding in a shell. He just doesn’t feel the need to chatter incessantly with everyone in the room. The problem is with the false dichotomy between thoughtfulness and sociability. It's been treated in book length in the bestseller "Quiet" by Susan Cain. It's an understandable and point of view, worthy of sympathy. The most convincing argument for it is that you can't realistically know a lot of worthwhile stuff (let's say, know a second language well) without spending a lot of your waking hours in quiet reflection, reading and thinking. But while this is true, it does not necessarily mean you must retreat from the world. There is time in the day and your life to do anything you really want. You can be socialable and thoughtful. The more sociable and more thoughtful you are, the closer you are to your humanity. Lastly ,More friends, more laughs, more romance and spark with other human beings: these things are a "universal ideal." Without them, and overcompensating with booksmarts, you're like Causabon in Middlemarch: a dusty prisoner of volumes of lifeless facts, finding soul in abstract ideas rather than living people, and finding truth in true propositions moreso than in the connection with your fellow man. To dismiss these things by calling it "incesant chatter" is a sad reflection of the narcissistic self-delusion that this writer has trapped himself with. Edited by Retinend on 09 May 2014 at 2:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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