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beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4621 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian
| Message 9 of 13 09 September 2014 at 4:49pm | IP Logged |
I remember speaking about this with an educational specialist. She told me that social fluency takes 1-2 years to develop in a kid with no previous experience in the language who is thrown into an immersive environment. However, true academic proficiency typically takes 5-8 years.
Obviously there will be examples of youngsters who make more rapid progress.
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| rdearman Senior Member United Kingdom rdearman.orgRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5235 days ago 881 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, French, Mandarin
| Message 10 of 13 09 September 2014 at 4:57pm | IP Logged |
9 months. (I only read the title) ;P
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 11 of 13 10 September 2014 at 1:59pm | IP Logged |
rdearman wrote:
of the hosts of the show was a linguist and he recommended to some Chinese parents that they should never speak to their children in English, only speak to them in Chinese. The reason was that they'll pass on their poor pronunciation to their children. |
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One of my mother's friends was a woman who married a Polish man. They got several kids, and the youngest son in the family spoke consistently Danish with the same accent as his father - the others spoke like their mother. However when this son entered school he apparently realized that his accent would be a problem, and almost overnight he switched to accentless Danish (as spoken by the rest of the family). So the danger rdearman refers to is definitely there, but if you make the switch as a young child you can soon learn to speak in the standard way - probably because you can draw on several years' worth of passive listening.
Edited by Iversen on 10 September 2014 at 2:02pm
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| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4443 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French
| Message 12 of 13 10 September 2014 at 4:44pm | IP Logged |
Recently came across an interesting video:
4 Year Old American Kid Speaking Fluent Chinese
Mandarin
The family relocated to China. At age 2, the girl was sent to a Chinese kindergarten. By age 4 she can
speak Chinese almost at a native level. When it comes to fluency, you can be referring to introducing
yourself when meeting people, asking for directions, shopping and other basic things. You can also be
referring to something you heard on the news.
Here is an example of something that came out of the Chinese media recently: 地溝油. It is referred to
cooking oil used by restaurants, private homes and other places reused in other restaurants. Now there
was a batch of used pork oil (lard) that was destined to be turn into biodiesel gone back into containers
for cooking oil to be sold in Taiwan and neighbouring countries. Local supermarkets, bakeries &
restaurants started pulling products off their selves.
Language is a evolving. Since the computer age there have been dozens of new words & phrases added.
Having fluency in any language is to be able to perform basic tasks as asking for directions, going
shopping, ordering food in restaurants. A 4-yr old child may know the word: 地溝 for "gutter" but may not
have the maturity to understand the concept: 地溝油 and the implication this is having on food safety and
local businesses.
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| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4443 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French
| Message 13 of 13 06 October 2014 at 3:55am | IP Logged |
I was in China visiting recently and came across a kid from Hong Kong around 6 who is Cantonese-speaking.
He can sing the Chinese national anthem in Mandarin which he learned in school. 2 girls around the same age
from Hong Kong were talking to each other in English. The father would be switching between Cantonese &
English. He probably wanted to bring up his kids bilingual. Kids in Hong Kong are being brought up in a
bilingual / trilingual environment usually with Cantonese or English as the base language and Mandarin as an
addition.
Older adults go to classes like younger kids. Some parents are fluent in the languages the kids are learning
and can talk to them at home for practice. Whether this is a factor to help them learn is debatable.
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