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| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5206 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes  Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 73 of 102 24 September 2014 at 10:37am | IP Logged | ||
I was talking purely about accent. For language competency in general, I'd agree that the bar is higher in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 74 of 102 24 September 2014 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I meant the accent too. I guess the bar for sounding comprehensible is low and for sounding native-like is high?
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| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5206 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 75 of 102 24 September 2014 at 2:52pm | IP Logged | ||
I was referring to the threshold where accent is no longer "a problem" as per beano's post, or you won't be judged for it as per mine. So yes, I mean the bar for having a comprehensible accent, or the general standard of what is an "okay" accent as opposed to a "bad" one. Sounding native-like is a very high bar in any language, and again I'm not trying to claim that it's necessary! Beano's example is of someone who speaks great English with an obvious French accent and has no problems, and I'm doubtful as to whether someone who speaks great French but with an obvious English accent would get by quite as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 76 of 102 24 September 2014 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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I just mean that with other languages, minor issues are more likely to be ignored. Specifically, you don't have to sound like a native from a specific location. If the deviations from the "norm" are small enough, they can be attributed to other factors than your native-ness.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 77 of 102 24 September 2014 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think all of this is overly focusing on "what people think of me" and not enough on
"what do I think and what can I do better". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| JClangue Newbie Canada Joined 3755 days ago 15 posts - 20 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Catalan | Message 78 of 102 25 September 2014 at 3:34am | IP Logged | ||
I don't know what you are talking about but could you please explain? I wrote a post about proficiency in a field. I'm an engineer but I have friends that are surgeons and I know a bit about a lot of things. I wrote it because I got frustrated at one of my biweekly Mandarin chats. It was really hard understanding the advanced students that had been studying Mandarin for a few years and I think that I don't know much at all. It's demoralizing when talking to people that have spoken like 50 times more than you have, at least to me. You seem to have a very strong personality which can rub people the wrong way, fyi. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 5129 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 79 of 102 25 September 2014 at 6:54am | IP Logged | ||
On this point specifically... So, you recognize that people speak better after having spoken 50 times more. Why would you let that demoralize you? It's not something you can change. The best you can do is the best you can do, not the best anyone else can do. And over time, that best becomes better. As long as you realize you're improving over time, why let yourself get demoralized over someone else's level? R. == 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4637 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 80 of 102 25 September 2014 at 8:49am | IP Logged | ||
I think in English minor issues are more likely to be treated as standard features of the speaker's accent. The French accent is so common in the English speaking world that it seems to get registered in our minds as a regional dialect of English. On other hand, Minnesota Nice sounds non-native to me. Edited by AlexTG on 25 September 2014 at 9:34am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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