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| Jee Senior Member Australia Joined 6309 days ago 105 posts - 105 votes  Studies: English | Message 49 of 97 21 September 2007 at 11:33pm | IP Logged |
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As far as I know, in the period fo Qin dynasty to Han dynasty in China's history, Chinese called the north folks "XiongNu"or"Hu",which is a total name called by Chinese for most north hordes who lived outside the Great Wall. And there were long period and intermittent wars between Chinese and north hordes. Some of them were described as having bigger-nose, deeper-eyes, as Ximing mentioned.
When I was in China, I had watched a TV documentary, which talk about a cetain unkonwn relation between Hungarian and ancient "XiongNu". They found there are some similar or same vocabularies and custom in Hungarian and XiongNu's descendant--some north folk in nowaday China. And historians suspect that as the history development,some of ancient "XiongNu" became several northern folks of China, another part of them migrated toward central Asia even east Europe. Actually, nowaday Chinese Mandarian pronounciation is different from ancient Chinese, and was influenced a lot by north hordes. So there can be some similar pronounciation among Mandarian and Hungarian. These are what I know and my consequence 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cisa Super Polyglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6419 days ago 312 posts - 309 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Hungarian*, Slovak, FrenchC1, EnglishC2, Mandarin, SpanishB2, RussianB2, GermanB2, Korean, Czech, Latin Studies: Italian, Cantonese, Japanese, Portuguese, Polish, Hindi, Mongolian, Tibetan, Kazakh, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew | Message 50 of 97 05 November 2007 at 10:09am | IP Logged |
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Hi guys,
wow, this is such an interesting topic and I have found it only now, yaaaay! :) Huns and Hungarians As far as we have learnt in school and I have read, in the 18-19th century the Hun-Hungarian relation was a very popular theory, however, today this theory is not enough for present historians etc. Nowadays they state that Hungarians do come from Asia, from the Ural, and those peoples coming from further from Asia, and had connections with the Huns, influenced each other´s language, but are not relatives. Hungarian and Chinese Oooooh, I LOVE this theory! :D Even if it is not true or proved, I personally find it really cute... :) Vlad, nő-nü3 is just great I think! ;) Maybe you should take a look at basic words like family relations, food etc. to find some more. However, I think maybe Classical Chuinese or Cantonese are more likely to come up with similar words... And of course, I have no objections against such theories, eventually even if not Hungarian tribes, but proto-Uralic people are of Asian origin. Why couldn´t they have been people speaking a common or relative language with the Chinese peoples there, only we cannot notice (except for Vlad ;D ) the connections?? Who knows? In linguistics anything can happen... :) I also find the Hungarian-Japanese and the Hungarian-Basque theories interesting, they sound a lot more exotic than the Hungarian-Finnish one, which is the acceoted one today. Not against Finnish, I just feel so lonely that there are no relative nations with whom we could understand each other like the Finnish and the Estonians do, as the two languages are so close. :( Finally, I´ve read in some linguistic books that the most fans the Hungarian-Turkish (I think it is mostly borrowed vocab) and the Hungarian-Sumer theories have. In my humble opinion, the Hungarian-Sumer one is just a result of an age when every nation wanted a most ancient history, not more. Hm, ever heard of other interesting Hungarian connections??? :) I´m really curious!! Edited by Idril on 05 November 2007 at 10:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 51 of 97 05 November 2007 at 10:37am | IP Logged |
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Thank you thank you thank you :-)
Another person which supports my discoverer's enthusiasm! :-) However.. I am one month into my mandarin studies and no new similarities so far.. We've been dealing only with phonetics as far as language goes, and I've been daydreaming through most of the history and philosophy classes, so I hope I will come across something! I won't give up :-) Tomorrow is first grammar class people! can't wait.. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Cisa Super Polyglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6419 days ago 312 posts - 309 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Hungarian*, Slovak, FrenchC1, EnglishC2, Mandarin, SpanishB2, RussianB2, GermanB2, Korean, Czech, Latin Studies: Italian, Cantonese, Japanese, Portuguese, Polish, Hindi, Mongolian, Tibetan, Kazakh, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew | Message 52 of 97 05 November 2007 at 12:43pm | IP Logged |
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Szia Vlad! :)
ÁÁáá, el tudom képzelniiii!! :) Én is kínait szeretnék az egyetemen tanulni. ;) Már alig várom, hogy felvegyenek (legalábbis remélem, de fő az önbizalom! :P)!! 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 53 of 97 19 November 2007 at 10:54am | IP Logged |
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For those still interested in Mandarin/Hungarian similarities, I found another small one:
Mandarin as some of you know has a well developed system for naming different types of family members. one thing that I was allways wondering about was, why other languages (the ones I was familiar with) didn't have names for younger/older brother and younger/older sister and Hungarian did/does. So.. Mandarin and Hungarian share this small similarity: older sister: HUN: nővér; CHN: 姐姐(jie3jie) younger sister: HUN: húg; CHN: 妹妹(mei4mei) older brother: HUN: bátya; CHN: 哥哥(ge1ge) younger brother: HUN: öcs; CHN: 弟弟(di4di) of course there is no phonetic connection, I was thinking more of the general picture..along with the previous small similarities I noticed. I previously mentioned this, but does anyone happen to have any knowelege about the language of the Huns? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Vlad Trilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member Czechoslovakia foreverastudent.com Joined 6584 days ago 443 posts - 576 votes 2 sounds Speaks: Czech*, Slovak*, Hungarian*, Mandarin, EnglishC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, Spanish, Russian, Polish, Serbian, French Studies: Persian, Taiwanese, Romanian, Portuguese | Message 55 of 97 20 November 2007 at 1:51pm | IP Logged |
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I understand what you are saying.
But you know what they say.. they were laughing at Schliemann when he went to look for Troy :-)) I mean I have a brain which also tells me that the connection is very improbable.. but..there are a couple of but's. First of all I am only interested in the similarity..not convinced or ready to defend it or anything..and working with the principle of setting up a hypothesis and leaving it that way until it is proven right I mean.. I personally find the similarities quite interesting and whenever something new pops out on the subject I share it in this thread, but that's it. I also am a supporter of the 'lumpers' theory, which says, that all languages have developed from one proto-language, because I do believe that is was more probable, that our ancestors have developed some way of oral communication before they have spread into the entire world, rather then spread and then wait for autonomous languages to develop in different places of the planet. I think without having some sort of oral communication skills, this 'spread' would not have been possible in the first place. You know, I think we agree that languages change very fast. The change from Lain into Italian, Portuguese, French, Spanish, Romanian and so on happened in a relatively very short time. One of the more recent examples is the Afrikaans language. If I watch newscasts from the 60-ties, the people seem to talk real funny even in Slovak, not to mention the Slovak language from the 18th-19th century.. And here the languages already had a written form, full of rules, which would make the language change much slower and difficult and yet the languages changed. Now.. in the ancient times.. without a developed script, I believe languages could have change much much faster.. that's why I believe, that Hungarian and Chinese do have a common ancestor. I do believe that Xhosa and Japanese have a common ancestor for that matter..but again.. hypothetically until proven right. Just out of interest, I was trying to find some more 'interesting' similarities between Hungarian and Mandarin, because honestly even if they had a common ancestor, I believe the languages have changed so tremendously, that the links are long gone.. However, if you read this thread, there are some ideas which could slightly point to these lost links. One strong point is the presence of Hun's in northern China and then the theories which talk about the Hun - Hungarian links. There is a department of comparative linguistics at our university and there is actually someone there who is interested in this topic as well.. Or so I've heard. I'd like to visit the professor this or next week, so I'll let those, who are interested know how it went. all the best 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Jee Senior Member Australia Joined 6309 days ago 105 posts - 105 votes Studies: English | Message 56 of 97 20 November 2007 at 9:06pm | IP Logged |
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"I believe, that Hungarian and Chinese do have a common ancestor"??? I think it should be that；some of Hungarian ancestor developed into nowaday Hungarian, during the migration,others of Hungarian ancestor became a member of other nations including China. IMHO,It means that some of northern folks of China have DNA from some of Hungarian ancestor.Nowaday Mandarian got certain influence from Hungarian ancestor's language. It does not mean that two languages are for same headstream, and does not mean two nations share the same ancestor.Because China is a multiple-folk country. It is just a guess or a consequence from history,language,custom and so on 1 person has voted this message useful |
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