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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 9 of 14 02 June 2013 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also, I find that in German I remember the gender more easily if I put the word into the accusative with an indefinite pronoun. For me einen/eine/ein is a clearer distinction than der/die/das, probably because the syllable structure is different.
Maybe het/de are easier to remember if the following word starts with a vowel? you can learn words that start with consonants along with the article and an adjective that starts with a vowel (make a list and pick the one that makes sense for each word). Edited by Serpent on 02 June 2013 at 6:59pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4307 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 10 of 14 02 July 2013 at 8:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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I try and compartmentalize the three German genders with consistent imagery and
emotional associations. I'm not sure how these associations came about for myself - I just picked them early on and stuck with them in spite of how much nonsense it is. The fact that they're nonsense actually helps them stick sometimes: Masc: University Campus Neuter: City Centre Fem: Nighttime Of course... "der Universitaet" and "die Nacht" fit, but "die Stadtmitte" means that right from the off this is an imperfect system, but now if I think of that word I get this flash of "darkness." If it's "daytime" in my head and it's also the City, then I know where I am. I also use the system already in place in the words and give a word like "(der) Sport" imagery of Rugby rather than netball, or picture "(das) Leben" as a child's life in snapshots. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4520 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic | Message 11 of 14 03 July 2013 at 11:51am | IP Logged | ||
It's 'die Universität', but 'der Campus. 'die Stadtmitte', but 'das Zentrum'. Maybe that's what you were going for initially. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6702 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 14 04 July 2013 at 11:01am | IP Logged | ||
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I have seen references to a system like Retinend's before, although based on color schemes or even more abstract categories. But I like the basic idea. The point is that you should choose a coding system for your associations where the 'marker' for each categori is comprehensive and flexible. In most cases where the use of associations during memorization is recommended there isn't a general scheme behind the associations - each 'memory hook' is an isolated case. The exception is the elaborate systems used by some memory artists, but here the associations seem to be specific prelearned series of elements, and they are used to define and memorize sequences of data rather than learning a cloud of isolated data.
I still think that most associations based on sound or spelling will end up as isolated creations, but deliberately making up associations to a small number of very broad categories (like areas or periods in time or colours or whatever) will definitely make it easier to remember things like gender. Edited by Iversen on 04 July 2013 at 11:18am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4307 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 13 of 14 05 July 2013 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, DIE Universitaet. I'm a poor advert for this technique but it mostly works.
I actually like this idea much better. You "feel" the incorrectness of a "gap" in the syllabic structure moreso than you "feel" the incorrectness of a vowel quality between /di:/ and /de:/. I would always favour a system that uses physical reinforcement rather than clever mind games. It all needs to become second nature eventually but saying two syllables instead of one (or the reverse) is far more noticeable than a smudged vowel quality - as you point out, even to oneself. Edited by Retinend on 05 July 2013 at 5:27pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4667 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 14 of 14 07 July 2013 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | ||
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I learn gender in Nynorsk like this:
ei gruppe - gruppa - grupper - gruppene eit namn - namnet - namn - namna ein nase - nasen - nasar - nasane OR simply apply the ending system with the definite article, nouns in -a are f., those with -en are m., those with -et are n., if the final -e is deleted before putting the definite article, I put an apostrophe :) so, the shorter approach is : grupp'a, namnet, nase'n (or without the apostrophe but indicating the tone: 2gruppa, 1namnet, 2nasen) Edited by Medulin on 07 July 2013 at 9:11pm 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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