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gwyner Pentaglot Newbie United States Joined 5949 days ago 23 posts - 75 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchC1, GermanC1, ItalianB1, Russian Studies: Hungarian
| Message 1 of 12 14 May 2013 at 3:34am | IP Logged |
A guide I just wrote up on flashcard design for language learning.
Enjoy!
Edited by gwyner on 14 May 2013 at 3:34am
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 2 of 12 14 May 2013 at 11:41am | IP Logged |
gwyner wrote:
A guide I just wrote up on flashcard design for language learning.
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Thanks. Even if I don't use Anki at all, or even physical flashcards all that much, your
tips brought out some useful ideas and concepts.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 3 of 12 14 May 2013 at 3:59pm | IP Logged |
You generalize too much. I'm very verbal, I love wordswordswords. (oops, when words turn into swords) Even while reading I mostly enjoy the flow of words rather than images. So while the pictures work well for you, they are less important for me. I've had a deck of cards with pictures for Esperanto prepositions, and although they were all very clear and made specifically to illustrate the usage, I found them to be a nuisance. I might use a truly EPIC picture, but finding epic pictures for everything takes too much time.
I recommend everyone to read a post or two by LaughingChimp to balance it out :)
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5008 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 4 of 12 14 May 2013 at 8:02pm | IP Logged |
In the basics, the ideas are nice but I agree with Serpent about the generalizations.
For example, I have sometimes better time remembering words than pictures (and it tends
to be a trouble when learning some subjects) so why bother finding thousands of them
when they are not necessary. And it is difficult to find good picture ideas for some
more abstract words.
The point about one concept per card is a good one but there are exceptions where it
doesn't matter much or I just feel better about having both words together.
What I don't like much about your article is that you mostly use the comprehension
cards and nearly no translation into the target language. I don't use comprehension
cards (basically any with the L2 on the front) as I find them useless.
What I really like are points 6,7 and 8. Keeping it short, memorising after having some
context and not showing yourself mistakes are surely rules worth holding to.
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| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4846 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese
| Message 5 of 12 15 May 2013 at 2:44am | IP Logged |
I spent a good amount of time yesterday fiddling with my Anki decks, adding a few images to some of my cards, to see if this method would work for me. I didn't get that far, because I was distracted by the amount of additional time it took to search for an image to put into an Anki note.
Not that using pictures doesn't work, but for me an English description works just as well (or even better, an L2 description). Any issues with translating go away once I've internalized the word, and eventually I never refer to the English when reviewing a card. That means for me the issue is one of time, and it is much quicker to type up a word or two in English than it is to hunt for an image that conveys the meaning well.
My online time is very limited (even more so because I'm often at HTLAL!), and even when I'm offline making Anki cards I can use dictionary software to find the meaning in English, but I can't do that with images, unless I take my own pictures.
That said - and Cavesa pointed this out as well - most people using Anki or another SRS can get something useful out of the article. Personally, I could use all of the Principles except Principle 1. I think they could possibly help me make better Anki cards, which would lead to better Anki reviews.
I do want to add that I think comprehension cards are useful for languages that do not use the Latin alphabet. It is especially useful for a language like Japanese, which use Chinese characters that have various readings depending on the context. Comprehension cards are a good way to learn more obscure words that you may come across when reading, but will likely not need in everyday conversation, therefore there is no need to practice recalling them.
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4667 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 6 of 12 15 May 2013 at 4:53am | IP Logged |
Pictures are nice, but a bit overwhelming.
I've never used flashcards, but I'm planning to:
1st step: enter your entries in a dictionary-making software, as if you were making or dictionary
2export them as excel files
3import these files into Ankidroid
that's it.
So, you can have your personal user dictionary
and flashcards.
Edited by Medulin on 15 May 2013 at 4:54am
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| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5559 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 7 of 12 15 May 2013 at 4:58pm | IP Logged |
Medulin wrote:
1st step: enter your entries in a dictionary-making software, as if you were making or dictionary |
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What is this "dictionary making software" of which you speak, and why can't you just enter the words directly in excel?
P:S: Is there a simple way to export anki cards to a spreadsheet? I have downloaded a dutch shared deck, and I was wondering if I could split the articles into a different field, so to be able to practice the genders. As far as I can tell, anki just exports as a binary file.
Edited by schoenewaelder on 15 May 2013 at 5:05pm
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| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4827 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh
| Message 8 of 12 15 May 2013 at 5:08pm | IP Logged |
schoenewaelder wrote:
Medulin wrote:
1st step: enter your entries in a dictionary-
making software, as if you were making or dictionary |
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What is this "dictionary making software" of which you speak, and why can't you just
enter the words directly in excel.
P:S: Is there a simple way to export anki cards to a spreadsheet? I have downloaded a
dutch shared deck, and I was wondering if I could split the article into a different
fiel, to test genders. As far as I can tell, anki just exports as a binary file.
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Never done it, but here is a google groups posting about it:
using Excel
with Anki
(you may need a google account to see that)....It's not very long, so I'll post the
whole thing:
Quote:
How to use Microsoft Excel when importing/exporting files for Anki (How to do UTF-8
encoding)
It is possible to use Excel to modify/open Anki .txt files. And it is possible to take
a files you have been working on in Excel and get it into UTF-8 encoding to then import
into Anki. UTF-8 encoding is important for people using non-Latin character text.
What you need:
--Microsoft Excel
--Microsoft Notepad (found in “Start Menu” “All Programs” “Accessories”)
--And of course Anki 2.x
How to Export from Anki and to Open in Excel:
--Use the Anki export feature, and export as a .txt file. (Remember where you saved
it).
--Open Excel
--Go to the Open File menu.
--At the bottom of the file open window, change the “Files of Type” from Excel files to
“Text Files (.prn, .txt, .csv)”.
--Browse to the Anki .txt file that you just saved/exported a few steps before.
--Open it.
--It will then open a “Text Import Wizard”
--On step one, you only need to verify/change one option. On the “File Origin” just
make sure it says “65001: Unicode (UTF-8)” If it doesn’t, select that from the list of
options. Then click next.
--On step two, leave the settings as they are and click next.
--On step three, change the “Column data format” from “General” to “Text.”
--Then click Finish.
It will open the file, and then you can edit any of the data in Excel.
How to Get an Excel file to Import into Anki.
--When you are ready to save your Excel file, go to and click on “Save As”
--Then from the “Save as type” drop down menu, select “Unicode Text.” Name your file
and then save it.
(NOTE: The file is not ready to import into Anki. Excel saves it as UTF-16. The file
needs to be in UTF-8 for it to work with Anki. So the next step is to convert into
UTF-8 using Notepad.)
--Open Notepad.
--Go to “Open” and at the bottom of the Window, change the “Encoding” to “Unicode” (or
“Unicode big endian”)
--Then navigate to your saved Excel .txt file and open it.
--Then just click “Save as” and change the Encoding to “UTF-8” Then save the file.
(If you don’t want it to overwrite the existing Unicode text file, then be sure to
change the name or location when saving).
Congratulations. You are done. Your file is now ready for import into Anki. Now,
just follow the import instructions in the Anki Manual. (BTW, If you have html code in
your file, don't forget to check the “Allow HTML in fields” box on the Anki import
screen.)
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