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garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5206 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish
| Message 9 of 13 11 July 2013 at 11:09am | IP Logged |
Italian verbs are pretty tricky, especially when you're actually having a conversation as opposed to just trying to recall the right form in isolation. I started with MT and it was great, but it took me quite a few months of regular practice after that to start getting them consistently correct, and I still make the odd mistake - usually stupid stuff like getting the wrong vowel at the end (parlavo instead of parlava etc.) - extremely basic I know, but when you're speaking you have a million things to think about and it can be easy to slip up. For me it was just lots of conversation, but there might well be more efficient ways like textbook-style drill exercises.
As for gestures, that's something I need to study myself before I go to Italy!
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 10 of 13 11 July 2013 at 11:41am | IP Logged |
Not kidding :) I did a presentation about the Italian gestures recently. Gestures will come to rescue if you don't know the right words, and they'll make you seem more fluent as well.
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| renaissancemedi Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Greece Joined 4357 days ago 941 posts - 1309 votes Speaks: Greek*, Ancient Greek*, EnglishC2 Studies: French, Russian, Turkish, Modern Hebrew
| Message 11 of 13 11 July 2013 at 3:19pm | IP Logged |
Serpent, I thought you were kidding but there are truly dictionaries for Italian gestures! Another new piece of information for me.
I always suggest people to use body language, it saves the day for greek as well.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6596 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish
| Message 12 of 13 11 July 2013 at 6:13pm | IP Logged |
There are also awesome drawings online and youtube videos :)
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| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5008 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 13 of 13 11 July 2013 at 9:23pm | IP Logged |
From my experience from French and Spanish (and only little Italian, even though I will surely come back to it), I totally agree that focus on learning to conjugate the verbs is a good decision. Many people damn memorisation of the tables and examples, but it will remove a huge boulder from your way, especially when it comes to speaking. So many people speak worse than they cound (and less fluently) just because they never bothered to learn the verbs.
a few tips:
1)I found it very efficient to make an anki deck like front:avoir, présent back:j'ai, tu as, il a... You can put there the verbs and their various forms on the go, no matter where you encounter them.
2)Substitution drills are good as well
3)When you encounter a verb that often goes with a preposition, learn them together. It might save you some mistakes and learning them later is more difficult. Learning a short example is often easier than just the verb and preposition.
4)Get a good verb book, with the tables of the model regular verbs and the irregular verbs. I find such a reference (got one for French and one for Spanish so far) to be one of the most valuable resources. Easy comparison of various verbs and finding which ones only require you to apply what you already know, that can make learning less time consuming. Or there are such resources for free online, but I don't know a good Italian one.
5)the verbs will get much easier with time and huge amounts of input :-)
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